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Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#41
I must commend you for taking the time to try to find out a solution! I reckon it's not easy.

Perhaps you could record yourself talking, and then listen to yourself: found out what might make you feel this way if you were the other person.

Often, people listen others only to respond and tell their point, more than they listen to understand what is being said. (This leads to people cutting each other, sadly).

This leads to the point of saying things that are interesting for the listeners ("What's in it for them?").

I've personally seen people ask a question, and get the answer, but the person giving that answer keeps on going for too long with too many extra details.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#42
Let me give you extremely specific advice that’s guaranteed to work. People like to do things that fulfill their desires. The fact that people don’t want to listen to you should indicate that your speech isn’t fulfilling their desires.

Most of the time people are not having a conversation to share information, but instead to fulfill one of their psychological needs. This can include having fun, feeling connection, gaining social approval, gaining direct benefit, something like this. What this psychological need is changes person by person and moment by moment. It can be hard to determine but it can be done!

The other psychological motivator is fear of loss. It’s simply the truth that people don’t want to be dragged in to boring conversations by people with low self-esteem, because everyone is busy and time is precious.

It seems a very simple way to analyze conversation, but it’s very powerful to do what people like and don’t do what they don’t like. Notice how this framework in itself has nothing to do with your enunciation, language barriers, body language, and so on. It’s all about reading the other person!

I recommend reading “The Psychology of Sales” by Brian Tracy. It’s nominally about being a salesperson, but you can apply it to practically any social situation. Because what is socializing really about other than mutual benefit? You know already that you want to talk about traveling, and once you figure out what other people need from the conversation everyone will be happy!

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#43
Sounds like people don't feel that you are adding things of value. Which might mean that you have low social value(ie people don't want to put in effort in to being your friend). Or it might mean that you are talking about things that people feel is irrelevant. Or maybe some combination of those things.

Since you are having this issue with your wife you should ask your wife, hopefully she might have the guts to tell you her real honest opinion on the matter.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#45
I have never had a voice coach but many moons ago I stumbled on this video from an irish MBA lecturer, Conor Neill:

> 5 Aspects of a Powerful Speaking Voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE7QJSO449o

It's a short video but it really resonated with me and helped me make a lot of actionable changes in how I speak (in a professionally setting at least).

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#46
Hey, congrats on trying to put yourself out there and also reflecting on how to improve things!

There’s probably many things you could experiment with. My suggestion for a simple start would be to reframe from “when I try to contribute” to “how can I help someone continue the conversation?”.

So for your travel example, people may not want a second retelling of what they just heard. But what if instead you asked “did you get to see X? What did you think of it?”. It shows the speaker you were listening and engaged, gives them the opportunity to continue their story, and gives you both the opportunity to have a shared experience.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#47
There’s some decent advice in this thread already. I think it’s a great idea to work on vocal modulation, tone, pacing , etc. Nearly everyone could benefit from improving those aspects of their speech.

What I might suggest is a different approach, though not mutually exclusive. There seems to be a strong emotional undertone to your question that leads me to believe you’re not just looking for ways to improve your speach but also grappling with existential questions about your place and value. For those I would suggest you seek out a therapist and start speaking with them as transparently as possible about your thoughts and feelings, so that you can work through those issues (insofar as they exist).

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#49

Acting classes or singing lessons? I think you just want to get confidence in having people's attention, through modulating like the other guy said, and being interesting to listen to. But try not to worry about this too much, I feel like it will make you feel insecure if you focus on it for too long. Another great thing for me is to shift the focus on to the person you're speaking with, even in a group. People love…

Also similar: Join a local Toastmasters group. This is a global organization where you learn and practice to speak in front of a group, both prepared speeches and spontaneous. It may find weird to join it, but I would advice to visit one once in your neighborhood: They are all super friendly and I have seen dozens of people come in and move from shy and awkward to great storytellers in just a year or so.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn to better command people's attention when speaking?

#50
I used to have a soft voice and would constantly be spoken over, and not really listened to. I also look very young (I am late 30s and I still get IDed when buying alcohol).

Some things that helped me:

- I grew a beared that accentuated my jawline

- When people would begin to interrupt me, I would continue on with my sentence regardless of them speaking, and I would finish my sentence. I would be prepared to let it get a little awkward if they don’t get the hint at first

- Talking a lot more helped. Since having a baby, I talk to her all the time. I sing and talk loudly and energetically to her to make her laugh. I make up a wide array of characters with voices. This has changed the tone of my voice in that it is now deeper, less strained, and more powerful. I have noticed a difference in my confidence talking to people and how they listen to me.

- I noticed a difference in my interactions just after doing Yoga or meditation. Conversation is often about energy, and yoga or meditation can get you more attuned to giving the right amount.

- I noticed the less I cared the easier it got. I make sure that I am respectful and acknowledging of people, I am open and receptive to connecting with the right people, but it’s not my mission to be entertaining or interesting to others.

- If I feel like I am giving a lot more to the other person/people in the interactions, I start to look elsewhere for people that are more reciprocal with their interactions.

- I tried reading books on charisma, small talk, How to Win Friends and Influence People, etc. I don’t think any of this actually had much impact or it didn’t resonate with me. IMO, going to the gym is probably going to have a lot more impact to get people to listen to you than what books can offer.

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