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Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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ADD is not a single issue, but a collection of issues with varied symptoms and coping methods, and which he is likely experiencing to different degrees of severity. Thus, in my 20 years of experience coping with it, I've found the concept of ADHD to an unhelpful abstraction. Push past it and learn about all of the individual underlying issues and related concepts (attention and focus, memory (paying special attention…

A little more on this topic. No teenager with ADHD will be interested in doing the work I've described above. If his parents aren't interested in it either, your ability to help will be severely limited.

One way to help him to do this work will be to get him out of his intellectual comfort zone. Encourage him to take on tough but fun projects (building big models, electronics kits, doing NAND to Tetris, etc) that will require foresight and planning. Make yourself available if he gets stuck, so that you can help explain that hard problems are only hard if you lack the mental framework required to parse and subdivide and organize them into simpler sub-tasks. If you can get him to sit back and think about how to solve hard problems, you'll be giving him a transferable skill which will be integral to working through life with ADHD and minimizing its impact--and you can do it without actually broaching the topic.

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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From my experience as a parent of a 11 year old with ADHD: - we start the diagnosis process because he was very depressed as being bad at school, everything was hard, while there was no need. - meds are fantastic, they let all his qualities shine. They do require some experimentation at the beginning. At the beginning I was not at ease with giving him meds, but it turns out there's no lasting effect, and the differen…

> others hinted it is also a strength, with lots of great qualities and intense emotions.

The universe can take our "strengths" back. I'd give anything to get rid of this disorder. The reality is that people can have strengths and great qualities despite ADHD and not because of ADHD.

I do appreciate the encouragement and reassurance of your message, but I do believe such talk only downplays the true severity of ADHD.

Which you can read a good synopsis in this journal: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8328933/

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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post #33

Medicate and try not to stop. Don’t avoid it, it’s life changing and the most effective intervention by far. None of the other stuff is nearly as effective. It is very likely turn their life around. As someone who was not medicated in his teenage years (Briefly in childhood and now all through adult hood. But was nissing all through school and it sucked). It’s a real life changer. Look up Russ Barkley on YouTube. He’…

Honestly literally anyone’s life is improved by a low dose of speed. And by improved I mean fit into our societies’s version of successful.

human nature is such that one cannot ever stay on low dose of any drug that feels good… this is why drug dealers will always give you “a taste” for free - they know you will be calling for more and more

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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Hey there, M33, got diagnosed adult with late 31, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I have immediately had access to both medication as well as ADHD focussed psychotherapy. ADHD is the best treatable neurological condition of all with medication and if you can have access to where you live, it's the first route I'd try to access. Once you have access to meds, nobody can require you to take them as prescribed t…

> ADHD focussed psychotherapy How does anyone even find this? I find there is a lot of signal vs. noise in this realm of care. What I mean, many professionals list that they treat ADHD, when it's clearly apparent they only list that for marketing purposes. The actual care provided is either antithetical or completely unhelpful -- at least for me. For example, of the many psychotherapist I have seen, I would often be…

Did you mean to say there is a high noise floor with little signal?

A lot of spectrum disorder diagnoses are misdiagnoses for other (medical) things. The diagnoses are often used as a catchall when no one can figure it out.

For example, chronic heavy metal poisoning mimicks ADHD or ADD diagnoses, blood tests alone are useless because its bound to tissue very quickly after exposure (and bioaccumulates unless a chelator is taken). Toxicity for a number of other substances also presents similarly to these diagnoses (flouride, pfas, microplastics).

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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I believe that school is a huge problem. Don’t give drugs, they can permanently mess up his mind. ADHD and ADD are defense mechanisms the mind has. His brain is basically saying that what he is learning in school is a complete waste of his time. Even though we all do it, school is a really weird behavior! No animals do it and we aren’t designed for it. I don’t believe that school is worth it for many people. They bec…

> Don’t give drugs, they can permanently mess up his mind. Reading your entire comment, but especially this sentence makes my blood boil. None of this is backed up by science and you provide no sources. This is the equivalent to flat earthers explaining how the universe works or anti-vaxxers how thoughts cure disease. The OPPOSITE is true: Medication, especially given during age when neuroplasticity is still high can…

> Don't give drugs, they can permanently mess up his mind.

This is common and good advice. Ritalin at one point was prescribed for ADD and ADHD, Kurt Cobain ended up dying by suicide as a result of complications from his use of the drug.

Spectrum disorders have been used for the past 20+ years as catchall diagnoses. There have been many stories of people who were diagnosed with these disorders, when in fact they were exposed to toxic products without their knowledge.

Heavy metal poisoning from chronic low-level exposure for example mimics nearly all the symptoms and won't show up in blood tests without a chelator. The doctor generally has to have an idea of the substance they are looking for to justify ordering the specific tests. Low-level chronic exposure rarely presents

Exposure to many toxins can have these symptoms. Some studies suggest high doses of PFAS, microplastics, or even above safe-limits for flouride, and other industrial contaminants can cause these similar-looking issues.

They are actually quite different causes, and brain damage in the more extreme cases can occur if left untreated, especially in youth which are more susceptible to certain toxins.

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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Remember your nephew is still a kid with a brain that is developing for some more years. Taking medication _now_ may be counter intuitive for future development, as the brain never gets a way to fully (under)regulate/calibrate dopamine release on it's own until maturity. Finding ways to learn that help him. Ex: - Short attention span? short repetitions of digestible chunks that he can relate to. - After school classe…

> Taking medication _now_ may be counter intuitive for future development, as the brain never gets a way to fully (under)regulate/calibrate dopamine release on it's own until maturity.

OP, please review this video [0] about the neuroprotective effects of stimulant medication for children and teens with ADHD, or the summary here [1]. If these effects are real and turn out to be limited to or strongest in early life, eschewing medication now could be squandering an opportunity to improve brain development that won't recur (quite aside from the cumulative academic impact of going through secondary education with inadequately treated ADHD). It's important not to default to thinking of avoiding medication as playing it safe. (There's plenty of research you can find on other aspects of ADHD medication, but I wanted to respond specifically to the point about brain development.)

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bQVq1oKpDw

[1] https://reddit.com/r/ADHDers/comments/1d4mxi0/adhd_medicatio...

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

#47
I think regardless of the medication decision, a diagnosis like this is a wake up call for self awareness.

Have him start paying attention to himself. Two things that spring to mind are the effects of caffeine and protein. Caffeine causes jitters in normal people and I’ve seen it have overwhelming effects on mentees with concentration difficulties. In one mentee it made concentration impossible. He has now cut it from his diet entirely. When I was mentoring my nephew he was significantly more capable after a protein breakfast compared to a carb breakfast.

Focus on things that work (quiet settings for example) and learn to cope with the things that don’t (my friend has adhd and through coping is immune from distraction, he’s always distracted so he’s always returning from distraction).

Knowing that he’s at a disadvantage he can slow down. Simply consciously going slow and reading things twice can change everything. I knew I was at a disadvantage in my first university course so I read the assigned reading twice. I ended up with the highest grade in the class because I worked to overcome my disadvantage. The coping mechanisms he creates to overcome a disadvantage can become a super power.

There might be simple and easy things that have a huge effect on his ability to concentrate, but he might only notice if he slows down enough to pay attention to them.

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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honestly just treat him like any other kid. be supportive on his interests, understanding on his fits, and try to get him into positive habits like eating healthy and being physically active.

i wont talk about meds as thats really up to you to research and decide as a parent.

Re: Ask HN: My 12 year-old nephew just got diagnosed with ADHD, any advice?

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post #6

I believe that school is a huge problem. Don’t give drugs, they can permanently mess up his mind. ADHD and ADD are defense mechanisms the mind has. His brain is basically saying that what he is learning in school is a complete waste of his time. Even though we all do it, school is a really weird behavior! No animals do it and we aren’t designed for it. I don’t believe that school is worth it for many people. They bec…

Also wrong about the learning something that's a waste. ADD can show up as soon as 5 years old. I noticed symptoms in my 5 year old kid. They were slight, but they reminded me of me. She was learning shapes and colors, and how to spell 'cat'. Should I have taken her out of school so she could avoid learning how to spell?

> I noticed symptoms in my 5 year old kid

If you don't mind, could you share what those symptoms are? I have 5 year old too and have some suspicions of ADHD.

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