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Re: Ask HN: Where After WordPress?

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Post by gcr »

selimthegrim wrote: post #37
runjake wrote: post #4

Recent similar Ask HNs with discussion: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=fa... I think it'd best to just stay. I see one of two likely things happening: 1. Matt comes to his senses and formally secedes his control of the WordPress Foundation and WordPress OSS to a qualified group of people. 2. He doesn't and the project gets forked to something that gets traction and will be immediately compa…

I think just cede is fine here vs. secede

If he’d go after WPEngine, Matt’s likely to sue any fork or something

Re: Ask HN: Where After WordPress?

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Post by ThinkBeat »

ryanmitchell wrote: post #14

Statamic: https://www.statamic.com

Source available (?) and licenses get expensive quick it looks like (?)

When I last did my survey of what I could use as a CMS I ran into this, looked at the licensing and walked away quickly.

But I may be wrong since I didn't do any more research, .

Re: Ask HN: Where After WordPress?

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Post by eXpl0it3r »

dilippkumar wrote: post #36

For those of us out of the loop, can someone please share a summary of the drama?

I’ve tried to document the most relevant happenings and writings: https://duerrenberger.dev/blog/2024/10/08/timeline-of-the-wo...

> tl;dr After Matt Mullenweg, BDFL of WordPress and CEO of Automattic, has dragged WP Engine publicly through the mud for not paying a ludicrous amount of money or contributing (enough) to the open source project, WP Engine is suing Automattic and Matt Mullenweg, while Automattic claims misuse of WordPress trademarks.

Re: Ask HN: Where After WordPress?

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Post by havefunbesafe »

Squarespace. I know that sounds insane, but Squarespace.

Used WP for 7 years and now Squarespace in its place for 5.

The builder has gotten so much better in the last 3 years, and I am very impressed. The plugin library is expanding at a faster clip now, too.

Re: Ask HN: Where After WordPress?

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Post by johannes1234321 »

immibis wrote: post #35
hedgehog wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forking the code is easy, forking the infrastructure and community not so much. It would be a lot of work and with an apparently capricious founder any splinter project has a high likelihood of getting bogged down in drama. My guess is no code fork gets traction, business continues mostly as usual but the supporting service providers and dev ecosystem start moving to alternatives that have more stable governance. Eve…

Look what happened to freenode: everyone just migrated to exactly the same thing but without the crazy guy or the trademark. WPEngine could fork WordPress, call it WPEngine, they're probably already halfway done scraping the plugin repository.

Freenodenis/was a small thing used by quite technical people. WordPress is very different.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenode#/media/File%3AIRC_t... - this shows 100k Users before the fall and libera taking over about half of them.

Re: Ask HN: Where After WordPress?

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Post by ThinkBeat »

I have always liked Expression Engine, but it looks like they have done yet another licensing / price change.

It is confusing.

I would like to think that Core is open source and free but fromt the site it appears that the "control panel" is limited to 1 user in the core / free version?

I have not used it in a long while but last time I did it was insanely fast.

WordPress is open source and free to use no matter how many users yo have.

https://expressionengine.com/

Re: Ask HN: Where After WordPress?

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Post by Cyberdog »

ervine wrote: post #24
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #8

Is Drupal still a thing? I have always considered Drupal to be a pretty industrial-strength system, but quite complex. One of the nice things about Drupal, is that you could customize the backend. I have always hated WP's backend.

Drupal is still a thing. It's actually really great, but it suffers from two things: 1. You need a deep knowledge of Drupal to put together something good. It's not beginner-friendly, you will build a couple clunkers before things click. 2. The mind-share is not there like it was for Drupal 7 - the devs still contributing are great, progress is being made, but if you're used to Wordpress plugins or an NPM package bei…

> but if you're used to Wordpress plugins or an NPM package being available for whatever you need, Drupal can be frustrating.

On the other hand, Drupal does not have the WordPress ecosystem habits where many modules/plugins have paid upgrades and/or scatter ads all over your site. The WP plugin ecosystem feels so scummy in comparison.

I agree the switch to Drupal 8 really killed its momentum though. (Drupal was reimplemented on top of Symfony and all existing modules/plugins had to be almost entirely rewritten to work with it - which was quite a difficult hurdle for people used to the previous conventions. Also being able to implement a site's configuration entirely in code, a beautiful feature of D7 albeit one that required third-party modules to implement, was still not quite working properly last time I checked.)

Re: Ask HN: Where After WordPress?

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Post by ThinkBeat »

Just stay with Wordpress, if you like WordPress. It's a vast community. Nothing is even close in terms of marketshare and popularity.

Most people do not care about this drama. And they dont want to care about it because it is their golden goose and customers are used to it.

Yes, some people do care, and yes they are very vocal. And yes there are a lot for those voices here.

Just look at X.

Is still around and still has an extreme amount of users. and it looks like some of folks that switched to Mastodon are not loving it.

Now personally I want WordPress to die because its a nightmare of code.

I find the data schema pretty good. Now with Pods it takes care of extending the schema. The back-end code is decent.

The front end story is different. But after I quit using plugins and started doing a lot of my own coding it is somewhat better but the layers upon layers upon layers of CSS is still a nightmare.

I dont believe the world will accommodate my wish on WordPress.

I also want social media to die. I dont belevive the world will accommodate me on that either.

Re: Ask HN: Where After WordPress?

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Post by ervine »

Cyberdog wrote: post #48
ervine wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drupal is still a thing. It's actually really great, but it suffers from two things: 1. You need a deep knowledge of Drupal to put together something good. It's not beginner-friendly, you will build a couple clunkers before things click. 2. The mind-share is not there like it was for Drupal 7 - the devs still contributing are great, progress is being made, but if you're used to Wordpress plugins or an NPM package bei…

> but if you're used to Wordpress plugins or an NPM package being available for whatever you need, Drupal can be frustrating. On the other hand, Drupal does not have the WordPress ecosystem habits where many modules/plugins have paid upgrades and/or scatter ads all over your site. The WP plugin ecosystem feels so scummy in comparison. I agree the switch to Drupal 8 really killed its momentum though. (Drupal was reimp…

I agree with your first point.

Configuration as code is actually one of the best parts of Drupal now. I think it's probably symfony as well under the hood, but you can just import / export your config with a CLI and commit as yml, makes moving configuration to higher / lower environments so pleasant.

But yes, I think with Drupal 7 there were a lot more "site builders" using Drupal, where D8 I imagine it's mostly just developers left standing.

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