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Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#41

I never respond to any unsolicited message or call. If enough people block them and mark them as spam eventually the algorithm will mark them as spam and stop sending them out all together.

You can’t mark them as spam easily. The phones don’t have built in features for that. You have to go through a bunch of manual steps that Apple and Google should really make a one click process. See my other comment here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41704119

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#42
post #3

It kinda depends on which platform handles their bulk messages. For example, if they are messaging you through Twilio, replying with "STOP" will cause Twilio itself to opt you out of messages ( https://help.twilio.com/articles/223134027-Twilio-support-fo... ), and the sender can't disable that ( https://help.twilio.com/articles/360034798533-Getting-Starte... ). It's kinda like how Mailchimp handles unsubscriptions fo…

You can check if a number is using Twilio via a special number: https://www.twilio.com/en-us/blog/lookup-phone-carrier-recor... .

Or a site like https://www.freecarrierlookup.com/ which works for every number

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#43

In my experience it doesn't do much. For example, I made the mistake of contributing to the campaign of a politician. Now I get texts from candidates all over the country. If I reply STOP to one, I just get sent more texts from another number, for another candidate in another state. I just got tired of replying with STOP after the 20th time. This just guarantees I'm never giving any money to any candidate ever again.

Note that US law has carve outs for politicians and their campaigns. They are exempt on both email and phone spam as I recall.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#44

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Thanks... that seems really labor intensive.

It's done with slave labor. It's called pig butchering. You kidnap people, hold them in Cambodia or whatever (lots of locations where local criminal gangs rule) so the locals don't bother checking for literally kidnapped slaves. If police stop by, pay them off and make up a story about debts and punishment. Then you use the slaves to scam others in pig butchering scams. If the slaves refuse, you beat them until they…

Thanks! That's a much better link and explanation than what I linked to.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#45

In my experience it doesn't do much. For example, I made the mistake of contributing to the campaign of a politician. Now I get texts from candidates all over the country. If I reply STOP to one, I just get sent more texts from another number, for another candidate in another state. I just got tired of replying with STOP after the 20th time. This just guarantees I'm never giving any money to any candidate ever again.

I wish anyone from actblue would see this. I gave a few small donations and foolishly didn’t use a disposable email address. That was over four years ago and I’m still getting over a dozen spam emails a day from candidates I have never even heard of. Maybe there is some central actblue list I can opt out of but I don’t even think I created an account with them Never donated a penny since

Your campaign donations are a matter of public record and Actblue harvests them and repackages them to sell to political campaigns and operatives. It's a shitty business model that preys upon an unfortunate part of federal law that most donors don't know about.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#46
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does one “open a text”?

Text messages don't have an "open" action. Replying STOP will unsubscribe the recipient from future SMS from this number. I have never seen an organization use an unsubscribe as a positive action in their funnel. There are less expensive and less risky ways to confirm that a phone number is valid for sure.

Not really true, if you have an iPhone, at least. URL previews are loaded on message open. A network request to the url they sent you. They know when you opened it

Unless the behavior has changed (maybe it has)?

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#47
post #12

No. Reacting to any unwanted contact just moves you further into their funnel. Ideally don’t even open the text.

How does one “open a text”?

How does one “open an email”

Same thing

Your messaging client may helpfully request the url they sent you to show a url preview.

In an email, your client renders the html including img tags (yes, this can be disabled, and may not even be default for most people anymore; it’s still a thing)

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#48
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does one “open a text”?

Text messages don't have an "open" action. Replying STOP will unsubscribe the recipient from future SMS from this number. I have never seen an organization use an unsubscribe as a positive action in their funnel. There are less expensive and less risky ways to confirm that a phone number is valid for sure.

I reply STOP (or whatever the capitalization is that the text asks for) to every political spam text I get that says "STOP to unsubscribe" or some such. I've been doing this for years.

I got 7 political spam texts today. I don't think the STOP is working.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#49
post #11

I don’t reply, and report junk and block any number that sends me what appears to be an automated text that I wasn’t expecting. I do the same with emails subscriptions that I didn’t knowingly subscribe to. If anyone legitimate gets caught up in that, I’m not sorry, blame the spammers for ruining it for everyone.

I do the same. If I agreed to subscribe, I’ll click the link. If I didn’t, I report it as spam. If Gmail offers me to unsubscribe, I will not do that and will still go ahead and report as spam. I’ll also do this if a third party has has registered with my email with the service without my consent, since they should have verified it before spamming it, so they still deserve the lost sender reputation.

Re: Ask HN: Should you reply STOP to unwanted texts?

#50

No. Reacting to any unwanted contact just moves you further into their funnel. Ideally don’t even open the text.

It used to be, on some mail readers, that "opening" an email message could unleash Pandora's Box, in terms of interpreting HTML, downloading images, attachments or whatever. I sincerely doubt that is even the case for the major providers such as Outlook or Gmail. And yeah, per comments downthread, my Android Messages app has "read/unread" and that's really the only thing that "opening a text" changes. There's no addi…

Does RCS remove the read receipt?

Back in the day, some systems used to acknowledge the request for a read receipt by default giving them the ability to determine if a number was actively watched.

Hopefully everything has it disabled by default these days.

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