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Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market That Bad?

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Post by Newlaptop »

BiraIgnacio wrote: post #22

What I find paradoxical is that despite the fact there's a lot of people "on the market" (or so many say), I'm having a hard time finding software engineers to fill a few open positions. Granted, I work for a small company doing things that may be considered boring and maybe people are looking elsewhere. I would be curious to know if that feels like the case for other companies too.

Is comp below market?

There are many people "on the market" who are either A) employed but looking for something better or B) not interested in taking a lower salary than their previous job.

Salaries skyrocketed in 2021 (along with prices for houses, groceries, etc), and there are going to be a lot of potential candidates who are anchoring on those wages as their expectation for next role.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market That Bad?

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Post by devgoth »

masijo wrote: post #39

Well, at least I don't feel so alone now. Same situation here: LinkedIn is silent, or I'm getting really bad offers. My experience being mostly in Clojure certainly doesn't help either. Plus, interviews have become really intense. I recently had an interview (the first one, "HR") that consisted of me talking about myself and my experience for 10 minutes, without any questions from the interviewer, and then it went st…

You mention that Clojure doesn't help but I would assume that knowing Clojure puts a leg up due to the buzz I see about Clojure on this site all the time. Do you think sinking years into Clojure was a net negative for you?

Note: I really like Clojure and looking to invest time in it but I am scared it will not make me attractive to employers.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market That Bad?

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Post by datavirtue »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #14
camdenreslink wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the evidence it is being offset by AI? I haven't really seen that. I think it is mostly two factors: - Companies over-hired during the COVID boom and don't need to hire as much because they still have those people. It's like they did all of their hiring for a few years ahead of time. - Interest rates are still the highest in a long time. Tech hiring is disproportionately affected by this. You can throw in off…

Doubt AI is reducing the need for developers very much, if at all, but the perception of AI very well could be causing some companies and managers to reduce hiring as they believe the hype that LLMs will obsolete most developers.

Then they are going to realize they need more devs for the AI integrations. Tons of work. Most people still think you have to shell out to big tech and ship your data to a third party for an AI integration. My boss, a very sharp architect, had no idea you could run an LLM locally and modify pre trained models etc until I shoved it in the whole groups' face with a chat post of me answering questions on company data with a local LLM. It lit a fire under his ass, that's for sure. Our entire business is based on creating documents and providing interfaces for people to navigate them. Clients were asking for AI and everyone dropped the ball. Something had to be done.

Multiply this happening all over the entirety of industry right now.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market That Bad?

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Post by datavirtue »

AIorNot wrote: post #27

Yes - 20 years of tech experience at major players and not able to find a single full time role in over a year- looking remote anywhere or in person in Seattle Have been doing contract work - currently doing AI engineering

Why is everyone searching for these FTE spots? That paradigm is dying.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market That Bad?

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Post by kajecounterhack »

chongli wrote: post #29

I graduated recently and have been looking ever since. It’s abysmal. No replies at all. Compared to co-op where I was interviewing a dozen times a week and getting half a dozen offers, it’s post-apocalyptic. No one’s interested in taking on anyone at recent grad / entry-level. Not sure what to do.

Have you talked to any startups? Young hungry folks were historically valued at startups, especially ones who have some OGs who can spare bandwidth to onboard / grow new hires, though maybe the game has changed.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market That Bad?

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Post by glorpsicle »

datavirtue wrote: post #45
AIorNot wrote: post #27

Yes - 20 years of tech experience at major players and not able to find a single full time role in over a year- looking remote anywhere or in person in Seattle Have been doing contract work - currently doing AI engineering

Why is everyone searching for these FTE spots? That paradigm is dying.

Could you elaborate?

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market That Bad?

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Post by b20000 »

teling wrote: post #16

As someone involved in hiring, there are a few factors going on: 1. There's no available headcount. No one is leaving since there are no opportunities elsewhere. Especially those on visas. 2. When we do have headcount, we get 1000 resumes within an hour or two. We also have a stack of referrals to get through first. A lot of these resumes are experienced folks with backgrounds in FAANG. 3. Supply remains high (100k C…

background in FAANG means nothing

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market That Bad?

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Post by thr0w »

b20000 wrote: post #48
teling wrote: post #16

As someone involved in hiring, there are a few factors going on: 1. There's no available headcount. No one is leaving since there are no opportunities elsewhere. Especially those on visas. 2. When we do have headcount, we get 1000 resumes within an hour or two. We also have a stack of referrals to get through first. A lot of these resumes are experienced folks with backgrounds in FAANG. 3. Supply remains high (100k C…

background in FAANG means nothing

Means something if those doing the hiring think it means something.

Re: Ask HN: Is the Job Market That Bad?

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Post by thr0w »

AIorNot wrote: post #27

Yes - 20 years of tech experience at major players and not able to find a single full time role in over a year- looking remote anywhere or in person in Seattle Have been doing contract work - currently doing AI engineering

> Have been doing contract work - currently doing AI engineering

You're good, then. FTE is way worse than that.

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