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Re: Ask HN: Any tools to do generic WiFi imaging?

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Did you look into stud finders? They’re devices specifically made to detect pipes and electrical wiring in walls. I love that you immediately went to WiFi for this though. Gotta love us tech people over complicating things haha!

Cheap stud finders are usually not great. The good ones are radar-based using similar frequency bands to wifi, but they cost lots of $$

It might be possible to rent those nicer expensive ones. I'd check with local hardware stores.

Re: Ask HN: Any tools to do generic WiFi imaging?

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5 GHz WiFi has a wavelength around 6cm so it can’t “see” anything smaller than approximately that. The things you want to see in your walls are below the diffraction limit for WiFi.

Imaging past the diffraction limit is possible in the near field

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction-limited_system#Nea...

Re: Ask HN: Any tools to do generic WiFi imaging?

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The "cheap and foolproof" way to do it is to cut a hole in your wall using a drywall cutter, and then feel with your hand. When you're done, you put the drywall back and patch it.

A drywall cutter is like a cast cutter; it works by vibrating and won't cut through wires, pipes, skin, ect.

If you don't want to use a stud finder, look for electrical boxes and remove the plate. That will tell you where a studs is. The rest of the studs are typically (US) 16" apart, but vary near corners and windows. You can often make an educated guess by knocking on the wall, the sound changes depending on if you knock on the stud.

Re: Ask HN: Any tools to do generic WiFi imaging?

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post #22
post #7

Did you look into stud finders? They’re devices specifically made to detect pipes and electrical wiring in walls. I love that you immediately went to WiFi for this though. Gotta love us tech people over complicating things haha!

Cheap stud finders are usually not great. The good ones are radar-based using similar frequency bands to wifi, but they cost lots of $$

I bought a thermal camera as a fun toy, it is great at finding studs especially for walls that face outside. Also you can see pipes easily when hot water is running through them.

But it was not cheap, cost about $300.

If you just want to just find studs, use magnetic stud finder. Cost about $10. Very easy to use and accurate.

Re: Ask HN: Any tools to do generic WiFi imaging?

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post #43

The "cheap and foolproof" way to do it is to cut a hole in your wall using a drywall cutter, and then feel with your hand. When you're done, you put the drywall back and patch it. A drywall cutter is like a cast cutter; it works by vibrating and won't cut through wires, pipes, skin, ect. If you don't want to use a stud finder, look for electrical boxes and remove the plate. That will tell you where a studs is. The re…

Absolutely nothing about this advice is "foolproof" especially on an older home. :)

Re: Ask HN: Any tools to do generic WiFi imaging?

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5 GHz WiFi has a wavelength around 6cm so it can’t “see” anything smaller than approximately that. The things you want to see in your walls are below the diffraction limit for WiFi.

Yes it can. Diffraction limit relates to resolution in space, not scattering.

Re: Ask HN: Any tools to do generic WiFi imaging?

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post #43

The "cheap and foolproof" way to do it is to cut a hole in your wall using a drywall cutter, and then feel with your hand. When you're done, you put the drywall back and patch it. A drywall cutter is like a cast cutter; it works by vibrating and won't cut through wires, pipes, skin, ect. If you don't want to use a stud finder, look for electrical boxes and remove the plate. That will tell you where a studs is. The re…

> studs are typically (US) 16" apart,

if they are not in the typical 16" and your not near a corner, try 18" and 24". I'm in a house from an infamous builder in the early days of the cookie cutter developer cutting every possible corner and then finding new ones to cut, they are definitely not on 16". In fact, I doubt there was a tape measure used at any time during the build, and most things just seem to be placed by "that looks about right" measuring system.

Electrical boxes and light switches are the only ones to have faith in. Other types of boxes (like cable or phone) could have been added after the fact and just be attached to the dry wall if there's even a box.

Re: Ask HN: Any tools to do generic WiFi imaging?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stud finders are for finding studs, not pipes and wiring.

i've literally never seen a stud finder that doesn't also detect wiring and pipes

Wow, I've seen stud finders unable to find studs. You must live in an alternate dimension than the one I do.

Re: Ask HN: Any tools to do generic WiFi imaging?

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post #22
post #7

Did you look into stud finders? They’re devices specifically made to detect pipes and electrical wiring in walls. I love that you immediately went to WiFi for this though. Gotta love us tech people over complicating things haha!

Cheap stud finders are usually not great. The good ones are radar-based using similar frequency bands to wifi, but they cost lots of $$

If it's drywall you can use use a cheap stud finder or just yours ears and hands to find studs fairly easy. Plaster might be a little harder but still doable. Also, look for outlets as those are attached to studs. Depending on the age and construction of the house studs will be 16 inches apart.

Re: Ask HN: Any tools to do generic WiFi imaging?

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post #43

The "cheap and foolproof" way to do it is to cut a hole in your wall using a drywall cutter, and then feel with your hand. When you're done, you put the drywall back and patch it. A drywall cutter is like a cast cutter; it works by vibrating and won't cut through wires, pipes, skin, ect. If you don't want to use a stud finder, look for electrical boxes and remove the plate. That will tell you where a studs is. The re…

As someone who has a 1930's house... the walls are probably plaster and wood lathe. Stud finders don't work very well if at all (https://www.familyhandyman.com/article/simple-hack-to-locate...) and cutting into the wall is like chiseling morter... because that basically what you are doing.

I love my plaster walls but dealing with pipes/electrcial is a huge pain.

I ended up teaching myself to do a passable job with repairing plaster and being content with how it is.

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