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Ask HN: Am I unhireable?

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Re: Ask HN: Am I unhireable?

#41
Thanks for asking the question. A few thoughts:

1. The fact that you made it in-house and to final rounds means your resume was "fine" for those roles. The resume is what gets you the first phone screen, from then on they are interested enough.

2. Interviewing is a numbers game and the market is harder right now. There are likely a ton of people applying to the same roles so even an "average" candidate is going to get bounced a lot. These rejects don't mean you're terrible.

3. At the same time, the flip of #2 is that you need your resume to stand out. And frankly, the mindset matters here because it comes out in your words. If I had to put a headline on you, it would be something like "versatile developer with a product mindset, experienced from FAANG to multiple startups." That's the positive spin I can put on what I read from you above. But your actual post drips with self-... doubt? A bit of loathing maybe? So I wouldn't be surprised if you're massively under-selling yourself in your resume and interviews.

4. For your crypto jobs if you want to down-play it, then focus those blurbs on the tech stack and your vague contribution (eg "launched initial MVP to X thousands of customers for $Y revenue" without dwelling on what the product actually did.)

I hope these are helpful. Have someone with a lot of hiring experience review your LinkedIn and resume with a critical eye and listen to their feedback.

Re: Ask HN: Am I unhireable?

#42

> if my resume has black balled me as a hiring risk I think you're being a little paranoid. It's the market right now; everywhere is laying off or looking for ways to reduce headcount. This just isn't a good time. Despite that: > After probably a few hundred applications (mostly SWE but some product) I've only received first interviews from maybe ten? This has been my experience since internet applications became a t…

> Nothing about you really stands out as problematic, but in my own opinion your heavy startup/crypto background makes you seem like someone only interested in money/getting rich quickly. > You might be a great candidate, but I'd fully expect you to check out if a better offer even looked in your direction. Given a choice between you and a more-conservative candidate, I'd pick them. Something about this seems... off…

> Yes, many of us are in tech because it's our passion. But I can almost guarantee that at least most of us work for companies _for money_, because _we need money_. And when people talk about money, in general, they're wanting _more of it._

I don't disagree, but I'm just being practical. The hiring process sucks. I appreciate not being made to do it more often than necessary.

Further, reqs are not guaranteed. Suppose I have an open req now and hire you. You ditch us three months later. Now there's a risk that I'll have to renegotiate for that req-- and may not get it again if another team makes a better pitch. Or, you shake me down for more money than we agreed to retain you-- your loyalty is clearly for sale; even paying you again doesn't guarantee your commitment, and it makes me look like a goddamn idiot when you leave anyway shortly after that. Not worth the risk!

I'd rather give the spot to someone who'll stick around for a minimal level of commitment, stick to the negotiated terms and won't waste my time with drama. I'm hiring you to make less work for myself. If your insatiable pursuit of money is going to create more work for me, our interests do not align from the start.

Re: Ask HN: Am I unhireable?

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nothing about you really stands out as problematic, but in my own opinion your heavy startup/crypto background makes you seem like someone only interested in money/getting rich quickly. > You might be a great candidate, but I'd fully expect you to check out if a better offer even looked in your direction. Given a choice between you and a more-conservative candidate, I'd pick them. Something about this seems... off…

> Yes, many of us are in tech because it's our passion. But I can almost guarantee that at least most of us work for companies _for money_, because _we need money_. And when people talk about money, in general, they're wanting _more of it._ I don't disagree, but I'm just being practical. The hiring process sucks. I appreciate not being made to do it more often than necessary. Further, reqs are not guaranteed. Suppose…

> Or, you shake me down for more money than we agreed to retain you-- your loyalty is clearly for sale

Who doesn't have a dollar amount that they're willing to walk away from a job for? I've been personal friends with many of my old managers; not one of them didn't understand when I left for a role for a significant pay increase. One of them was even joking with me one day about the talk he had with his manager on what they would have to do to retain me, and his answer was, "they offered him $50k more than we pay him, we won't be retaining him." And most of them were talking to me about their next role's pay bump at one point or another too. And let's say I was working for you, and out of the blue a friend from a previous job is hiring for their team and offers me a similar position for $50k more per year than you're paying me, I'm not going to not take it out of some sense of loyalty. In the words of the wise, "there's always a price and everything is for sale." The products your company offers is generally for sale for as much as is economically feasible, the same way your engineers are selling you their time.

Anyway, your overall point is that as a hiring manager you don't want to stake your time and reputation on people that seem disloyal. My point is both that people are inherently disloyal with their employers (in that their loyalty costs money), and that the signals you use to judge loyalty are, in my opinion, flawed. I can go into why I'm of that opinion, but it's my lesser of the two opinions.

Re: Ask HN: Am I unhireable?

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nothing about you really stands out as problematic, but in my own opinion your heavy startup/crypto background makes you seem like someone only interested in money/getting rich quickly. > You might be a great candidate, but I'd fully expect you to check out if a better offer even looked in your direction. Given a choice between you and a more-conservative candidate, I'd pick them. Something about this seems... off…

> Yes, many of us are in tech because it's our passion. But I can almost guarantee that at least most of us work for companies _for money_, because _we need money_. And when people talk about money, in general, they're wanting _more of it._ I don't disagree, but I'm just being practical. The hiring process sucks. I appreciate not being made to do it more often than necessary. Further, reqs are not guaranteed. Suppose…

> your loyalty is clearly for sale

Employees aren't feudal servants who are subject to their masters, they are suppliers from whom you are purchasing labor. Obviously that labor is for sale, otherwise you wouldn't be able to buy it in the first place. Sure, you'd like to be treated as a monoposony purchaser, rather than an option in a marketplace, but equally obviously any supplier of labor would be foolish to treat you that way.

Re: Ask HN: Am I unhireable?

#46
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always seen Crypto as a red flag. Initially, there was just a suspicion, but then I ended up meeting with some Crypto people in real life, and corresponding with recruiters in the Crypto space. And if I was on the hiring department, Crypto on a resume would get a hard-pass from me. It filters out people with a mentality that I do not like to be around.

sounds just as bad as racism

Why? You can't choose how you will be identified by people as being of some race.

While you can make choices about what kind of work you think is ethical or worthwhile.

It is immoral to judge a candidate by the first but not immoral to judge by the latter.

Re: Ask HN: Am I unhireable?

#47
post #10

Nothing you've said so far sounds unhireable to me, but nothing sticks out as impressive or unique either. In a tough job market, I'd expect there to be plenty of great candidates out there, and this might not make the cut of being any better than them.

Thanks, other than working somewhere longer I'm curious how I could stand out from other candidates?

Re: Ask HN: Am I unhireable?

#48
> I took a solid opportunity to work as a technical product manager for a year at a quickly growing crypto project with real utility (I know.. I know..) and largely had a great experience until they ran out of money.

That sounds odd to me. The whole premise of crypto is that you dont need traditional money issued by oppressive goverments.

Re: Ask HN: Am I unhireable?

#49

I was the first hire of a major bitcoin casino as my last main gig, but I don't think it's had any impact. I'm having a pretty bad time landing interviews. I'm not trying too hard yet, but it's pretty disheartening to get rejected for jobs with a listing that matches exactly what I was doing at my previous job. "Thanks for applying but we've moved on to other candidates!" on a job similar to what I just spent 6 years…

Hey so first off, this is semi-unrelated but could we connect? I've been curious about the gaming/gambling industry for a very long time and would love to pick your brain on it. I totally agree on the Discord support group as I'm in the same position as op and yourself. https://discord.gg/6udgskZCAF

I'd love to join to help out in the support group, but Discord decided a while ago that something about my e-mail, phone number, browser, or IP is something they don't like and instabans me 10 seconds after signup. The most nafarious thing I did was deleting my account a while back. Go figure.

Re: Ask HN: Am I unhireable?

#50
Absolutely anybody is employable in software. This deeply buried comment was still upvoted 20 times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37966978

All you have to do is pass an interview. Now by far the greatest challenge to attaining software employment is surviving resume death in order to make it to an interview. This has taught me a few things about hiring this year:

* Get out of software. Ideally this means get into management but can also mean sliding into something else laterally like project management.

* Or, be happy being a permanent beginner with elevated titles to compensate for years of service with no innovation, initiative, or real technical growth because all you do is chase trends and use tools.

* If you want to stand out don’t be awesome. Things like superior competence are great for becoming an entrepreneur but not for employment. Just be smart enough and experienced enough to talk through an interview. If you do want to stand out AND be employable then have something other developers don’t have like a security clearance and/or professional certifications.

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