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Re: Ask HN: Lead developer but I just don't enjoy management

#41
I have hired many developers who have progressed all the way from Jr and Sr through to management and CTO.

When someone is enjoying their career path and responsibility growth, it is an amazing experience for everyone.

When someone isn't enjoying it, it is MISERABLE for everyone. The problem is that in most cases the person in question asked for this career path. It's not their fault, they didn't know they wouldn't enjoy it. A combination of humility, denial and desire (for compensation growth) propels them to keep trying though. Because they are good developers and usually good people, it's hard to tell them they are performing poorly.

The best thing you can do for you, your manager and the company is to have a clear and concise conversation about it: I WAS excited about this path, but it's not working as well as I hoped. I still love being here, is there another path I can take?

A nice way to continue to contribute at a leadership level would be to mentor newer developers, work on some cross functional teams as an advisor, create programs that help others in the company develop skills (run the weekly demo event, create a lunch and learn for developers, etc). There are a lot of things you can do to support the growth of the company overall while keeping the scope of your actual responsibilities more well defined and focused on what you enjoy the most.

Re: Ask HN: Lead developer but I just don't enjoy management

#43
There's nothing better than learning what you love to do and then focusing on it. The absence of doing work you love gave you the experience you needed to know what you don't want to do. Management isn't right for everyone and isn't a logical step for many. With that given, you also don't need to rely entirely on your full time job to do work you enjoy. Hobby coding is a favorite pass-time for thousands of people. You get to build what interests of you.

Re: Ask HN: Lead developer but I just don't enjoy management

#45
After watching several of my friends become managers, directors, and VPs, I got FOMO and finally said yes to the management track about 25 years of software development. After about 3 years of engineering management, I was absolutely miserable, almost not programming at all, and spending 6 or more hours per day making sure I was camera-ready for the next Zoom meeting. Fortunately I had an S-Corporation that lived in a binder on a shelf (and so can you for about $125 and a few mouse clicks), and it came to the rescue. I branded myself as an independent consultant, got super lucky and landed a few retainers, and here I am, making more money and largely sticking to programming at the Tech Lead level. Yeah there's a bit of extra effort that goes into invoicing, running payroll, and paying taxes, but it's nowhere near as bad as management.

Re: Ask HN: Lead developer but I just don't enjoy management

#46
If you loved your job before, be honest with your management how you feel. Explain to them you really want to do, and what the final outcome is likely to be if you can't find joy in your position again.

A situation I was in was similar, going from an Eng to a Lead Eng role for a group of sysadmins. It was something I thought I wanted, but not for the right reasons. I wanted more control over the environment, more freedom to build what I wanted. The amount of time I'd spend doing people-related things was grossly underestimated and it became a pain point for me.

It ended up being that I only wanting to work on building things, but not building up people. It became a chore to get through the majority of management work, only to stay late to work on things that interested me.

I ended up leaving for another company, and things have worked out well enough, but there is some regret in my leaving. It was something I should worked with my management on, and been more transparent about.

Re: Ask HN: Lead developer but I just don't enjoy management

#47
I've been in a similar position, a couple times in my career. I think its a natural trap to fall into when you are the kind of person that is good at bootstrapping projects to the point where they need a team to grow further, but not interested in management.

A newsletter article (not mine) that helped crystallize my thinking around this, and helped me to explain it to non-technical folks in my current organization is this one: https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/engineering-leade.... Unfortunately its pay-walled, but Gergely (author) put some of the content in a tweet thread that is worth reading (https://twitter.com/gergelyorosz/status/1473353064358756352). If you look at the venn diagram posted in that thread, it sounds like you fall squarely in the "beware!!" zone.

If you are like me, you fall into that zone, at least in part, because you are clinging to the some technical duties that you could give up, but since they are the foundation of why you enjoy your job, refuse to do so. Understanding this and your own strengths and weaknesses clearly, can really help frame possible solutions for you. I would spend some time reflecting (and it sounds like you already have) about what you want out of this job and your career in general.

Perhaps you can propose to your management that you want to move into more of a "staff engineer" role. This may or may not work, and in the end, depending on the management at your company, you may have to move on to find what you want, but being clear about what that you want, is the first step in that direction.

Re: Ask HN: Lead developer but I just don't enjoy management

#48

After watching several of my friends become managers, directors, and VPs, I got FOMO and finally said yes to the management track about 25 years of software development. After about 3 years of engineering management, I was absolutely miserable, almost not programming at all, and spending 6 or more hours per day making sure I was camera-ready for the next Zoom meeting. Fortunately I had an S-Corporation that lived in…

What percentage of your time is spent on the sales/marketing side of pitching your consultancy services? RFPs/proposals/pitches/inbound/outbound? Where have you found the sweet spot with respect to the length of an engagement?

The reason I ask - most of what you hear out there are stories of people being "freelancers" where the work is somewhat of a commodity (wordpress, webapps, etc) and they have to differentiate themselves by quality of work/communication. But it sounds like you are more on the specialized/niche side, with retainers and being a "consultant".

So far I've been tackling the "builder vs manager" problem with: joining small startups or starting my own. The good news is that the last 2 startups I've joined have hit rapid growth, but the (bad) news it that I keep getting pulled into management. I know that I can/should hold a stronger line and say "No, I want to be an IC", but it's hard when my boss pushes back that it'd be better for the company if I manage. None of this is complaining/whining per-se, but your solution is potentially a win-win where I can avoid the mis-aligned incentives (ie: holding the line on IC vs management).

Re: Ask HN: Lead developer but I just don't enjoy management

#49
Been there, got out.

I recommend to listen to some of Cal Newport's "lifestyle centric career planning" podcast episodes on this. I basically followed similar ideas a decade ago and have been very happy with the decision.

Your thinking is not at all childish or idealistic. It's important to straighten these sort of questions out.

Re: Ask HN: Lead developer but I just don't enjoy management

#50
Many companies have a dedicated technical track that runs in parallel with the management track, specifically for cases like yours (which are very common)

You could suggest adopting that kind of structure at your current company? Or otherwise, you may just have to look for it elsewhere. But your feelings are valid, and you're definitely not locked into management across the whole industry, even if you end up having to pick between this and the other things you like about your job

But it sounds like you're really unhappy, and you should definitely listen to that feeling

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