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Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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Post by mensetmanusman »

scarface74 wrote: post #22
goosedragons wrote: post #19

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Are software consumables like food and gasoline? Do you throw away your entire house after 5 years? What about your books? Movies? Music? Photos? Art? You can take a 20 year old+ copy of Windows software that shipped on a CD-ROM in a paper box and it'll probably work just fine on Windows 10, maybe it needs some compatibility setting checked or absolute worst case an XP or 2000 VM. Meanwhile what do you do with an 8 y…

And can I run old Windows CE apps built on .Net Compact Framework on the latest greatest Microsoft produced phones?

If you hit the windows button, maybe your new start menu will show you many ads about how to get the latest thing working :)

Certainly some software is more like a book, while some is throw-away magazine type that is constantly being updated with no actual net progress in functionality (or backwards progress, like ads in the start menu).

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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Post by The_SamminAter »

scarface74 wrote: post #23

For reference, 90% of iOS users are on at least 15.5 https://gs.statcounter.com/ios-version-market-share/all/unit... How many users are actually on iOS 14 since every device that can run iOS 14 can run iOS 15?

I’d say a good majority of the jailbreak community is still on iOS 14. Although XinaA15 and *ra1n allow people to jailbreak (on limited versions for the former) iOS 15, fakeroot (and more-so XinaA15’s jankyness) mean that if you’re looking for a stable, compatible jailbreak, iOS 14.x is the way to go.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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Post by Fatnino »

SwiftyBug wrote: post #7
Sunspark wrote: post #6

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You could have a new battery installed.

I can't. The screw won't come out. I've tried two different repair shops and none of them were able to remove one of the bottom screws to open the phone.

I've had to drill out a screw on a nexus 6 at home. That damn phone had somewhere north of 20 screws holding the back together. One got stripped and I drilled into it till the head came off and it was a post instead of a screw from then on.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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Post by ls15 »

dangus wrote: post #39
ls15 wrote: post #32

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How long is a book that you bought supposed to last until the license expires and you have to buy it again? How long is a vinyl record that you bought supposed to last until the license expires and you have to buy it again? How long is a wedding ring supposed to last until it needs to be replaced? How long is my cast iron skillet supposed to work until it falls apart and I have to buy a new one?

Wedding rings need to be cleaned, and some common materials like rose and white gold are not finishes that last forever. Many popular stones are actually quite easily damaged. Settings can loosen and stones can fall out. The mere act of playing a vinyl records damages it. It’s a terrible example. All my college textbooks are unacceptably outdated except for basic foundational math and science, but today’s kids are ac…

Yes, physical things degrade over time, but they don't just vanish without a warning when you update your phone.

Also, my grandparents had their rings until they died, my vinyl records from the 70ies play just fine and I have books from the 1950s that I would not deem outdated. The skillet will last for centuries maybe.

On the other hand, some of my favorite apps just stopped working without any warning after using them for three or four years, just because I updated my iPad. In one case I lost some of my work, because I could not open the file format anymore.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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Post by theshrike79 »

pifm_guy wrote: post #30
theshrike79 wrote: post #29

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So you have apps that you paid real money for, but they haven't been updated in at least half a decade? Isn't it worrying that the developer doesn't care enough to check out their code, compile and resubmit?

As a developer, I can tell you it usually isn't that simple. The vast majority of 10+ year old apps wouldn't compile with modern xcode, and even if they did they won't meet the stores requirements anymore. For a small app with a small userbase, the maintainance cost isnt worth it.

Yea, of course it you update it once in 10 years it's a huge chore.

But if you have an app that people actually pay money for, I think it's bad business to not spend the few hours a year to update it to the latest XCode.

And if you don't care, just delist it from the store so people don't buy your abandonware.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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Post by dangus »

ls15 wrote: post #44
dangus wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wedding rings need to be cleaned, and some common materials like rose and white gold are not finishes that last forever. Many popular stones are actually quite easily damaged. Settings can loosen and stones can fall out. The mere act of playing a vinyl records damages it. It’s a terrible example. All my college textbooks are unacceptably outdated except for basic foundational math and science, but today’s kids are ac…

Yes, physical things degrade over time, but they don't just vanish without a warning when you update your phone. Also, my grandparents had their rings until they died, my vinyl records from the 70ies play just fine and I have books from the 1950s that I would not deem outdated. The skillet will last for centuries maybe. On the other hand, some of my favorite apps just stopped working without any warning after using t…

But of course time works differently for different objects, which is a main point of mine.

Modern consumer non-business smartphones aren’t even 20 years old as a concept.

Imagine getting an Apple II and expecting application compatibility with a Power Macintosh from the 90s. That’s the exact same timeframe we’re talking about in years, and that’s a massive change because computers weren’t all that mature as a technology in the 70s.

Sure, it is bad that App Store distribution introduces this problem. I’m not saying it’s not bad. However, I’m doubtful that future OS changes from here on out will introduce as many incompatibilities as the ones that took place during the time when smartphones were changing chip architecture to 64-bit, implementing new concepts surrounding sensor and device permissions, and other more fundamental shifts that would affect app compatibility.

On top of that, we’re also talking about a marketplace of apps with an average price of under a dollar.

There’s a damn good argument for PEBKAC (or PEBPAC) if you manage to spend $1000 in the App Store in a lifetime.

Re: Ask HN: How do you install not the latest iOS version?

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Post by [deleted] »

friendlyHornet wrote: post #18
dangus wrote: post #15

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I think it’s interesting how software has longevity expectations from some customers that physical products don’t have. How long is a dinner or drinks supposed to last before you buy another one? How long is your house supposed to last before you need to make repairs? How long is gasoline supposed to last before you buy more? Vacation? Movie tickets? Hotel rooms? Flights? Appliances? Clothes? Shoes? Furniture? Maybe…

These really aren't comparable, and I try to squeeze as much life from my device as possible Side note: I lived in an apartment in a 400 year old building once, and once lived in a shared house that was 300 years old (both cases were in Germany). Both buildings were renovated and had repairs several times and in a very good condition, and living in them was a great pleasure.

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