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Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#42
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In some areas a "community" culture¹ of "you shall behave - you will behave" has declined into a sort of anarchy of "everything passes"; once you were corrected, and now you are no more; once people would stand and say "wrong behaviour" directly, today such framework is greatly weakened, which causes all kind of deviations. Such weakening encourages abuse and exploitation. ¹Note that said community culture was not re…

I totally agree with this. The active removal of any (even semblance) of community in society, to be replaced with radical individualism, has been horribly detrimental. There is no shame, there is no right or wrong, there is no responsibility to others. And this extends to both sides of the political spectrum. The right glorify this "Don't step on me", "I don't care about others that don't exactly fit into my in-grou…

In America, you don’t need to reach for philosophy to explain the destruction of high-trust communities when history will do:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2056992.Left_Behind_In_R...

Summary of the book by a far-right nutjob:

https://twitter.com/GodCloseMyEyes/status/141461967105629798...

Community culture still exists in some places. Those places generally aren’t trying to solve massively complex racial or mass-migration conflicts at the same time as healthcare, housing, education and so on. Voters and leaders have limited time and attention. Fewer problems to solve means more resources available per problem.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#43
post #7

In some areas a "community" culture¹ of "you shall behave - you will behave" has declined into a sort of anarchy of "everything passes"; once you were corrected, and now you are no more; once people would stand and say "wrong behaviour" directly, today such framework is greatly weakened, which causes all kind of deviations. Such weakening encourages abuse and exploitation. ¹Note that said community culture was not re…

I totally agree with this. The active removal of any (even semblance) of community in society, to be replaced with radical individualism, has been horribly detrimental. There is no shame, there is no right or wrong, there is no responsibility to others. And this extends to both sides of the political spectrum. The right glorify this "Don't step on me", "I don't care about others that don't exactly fit into my in-grou…

Your painting the right as "no taxes" I think they'd paint as "quit wasting money".

As an example, SF has the highest tax revenue per capita in the USA

https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/slideshows/us-cities-with...

So why is it so dysfunctional? My guess is the right would say because so much is wasted on the wrong things.

Note: I'm not saying the right is correct. I'm only suggesting a different interpretation of their POV.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#44

Since house prices started to become unattainable for the average individual without going 40 years into debt. Remove the problem of earning money to achieve independent housing, remove 75% of the hussle for most people to participate in scams.

I have this pet theory that no matter what goes wrong in the world - whether it's a pandemic, climate change, or the threat of nuclear annihilation, HNers will find a way of blaming it on housing prices. Do you all live in California?

You don't have to live in California. Housing in major European cities has attained ridiculous prices. Maybe not as high as in California in absolute terms, but surely when you consider the difference in income. And no, the difference isn't made up by social security, not by a long shot.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#45
post #7

In some areas a "community" culture¹ of "you shall behave - you will behave" has declined into a sort of anarchy of "everything passes"; once you were corrected, and now you are no more; once people would stand and say "wrong behaviour" directly, today such framework is greatly weakened, which causes all kind of deviations. Such weakening encourages abuse and exploitation. ¹Note that said community culture was not re…

I totally agree with this. The active removal of any (even semblance) of community in society, to be replaced with radical individualism, has been horribly detrimental. There is no shame, there is no right or wrong, there is no responsibility to others. And this extends to both sides of the political spectrum. The right glorify this "Don't step on me", "I don't care about others that don't exactly fit into my in-grou…

Meh. That's a straw man based on ignorance.

The left puts effort into responsibility and care for community. Why do you think the right advocates for dismantling social services and the left champions them?

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#46
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very US centric concept, though. Whereas the original question was far more generic.

Anecdotally, this is something I notice in Europe, too.

I moved to Germany and find they are quite outspoken with enforcing community norms

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#47
post #7

In some areas a "community" culture¹ of "you shall behave - you will behave" has declined into a sort of anarchy of "everything passes"; once you were corrected, and now you are no more; once people would stand and say "wrong behaviour" directly, today such framework is greatly weakened, which causes all kind of deviations. Such weakening encourages abuse and exploitation. ¹Note that said community culture was not re…

I totally agree with this. The active removal of any (even semblance) of community in society, to be replaced with radical individualism, has been horribly detrimental. There is no shame, there is no right or wrong, there is no responsibility to others. And this extends to both sides of the political spectrum. The right glorify this "Don't step on me", "I don't care about others that don't exactly fit into my in-grou…

I am not religious but I do see the general fall of religion as a huge part in this. I've warned people that an individuals moral compass is not a strong as the influence a communities moral compass has on the individual. Currently we are set to just keep legalizing everything because it's good for somebody.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#48
my 2c..

When the economy is pushing you to compete for financial resources and the Neo-liberal narrative for market ethics is pushing the line of each person is responsible for his own actions, or in other words, if you found yourself in a scam that is your fault.. As a business, it's just a question of finding the most legal way to scam people to get more resources..

Cases in point - planned/perceived obsolescence..

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#49
As long as people keep ordering on websites such as Amazon that have an obvious conflict of interest and profit off fraud, the fraud will continue, nothing more. Reputation doesn't even matter anymore, people know how rotten Amazon is yet continue to use it. For me, if I have a single bad experience with a vendor, be it Amazon or anybody else, I will cease making business with them, period, and so much for convenience...

Since there is no scrutiny from the consumer anymore, these vendors don't care about accountability or their own reputation. I absolutely hate that marketplace paradigm where you don't even know who you are buying from anymore and everything is obfuscated.

Re: Ask HN: Since when is everything a scam?

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree with this. The active removal of any (even semblance) of community in society, to be replaced with radical individualism, has been horribly detrimental. There is no shame, there is no right or wrong, there is no responsibility to others. And this extends to both sides of the political spectrum. The right glorify this "Don't step on me", "I don't care about others that don't exactly fit into my in-grou…

Meh. That's a straw man based on ignorance. The left puts effort into responsibility and care for community. Why do you think the right advocates for dismantling social services and the left champions them?

The left champions not working, rather than social care. In the UK it’s common to hear ‘I’m on benefits’ as an excuse in itself, rather than ‘I am disabled’ or ‘I am elderly’ or some other legitimate reason for receiving money.
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