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Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

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Re: Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

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Firstly, YOU ARE NOT ALONE! Beyond the Great Recession and the Great Resignation, i firmly believe i'm beginning to see the Great Malaise everywhere! Its not just here about jobs/careers, but many places that i look, and with many people that i speak. With that out of the way, and at risk to your cognitive load (by adding something else to your life), have you considered taking up a hobby/interest that is unrelated t…

> i firmly believe i'm beginning to see the Great Malaise everywhere!

Indeed. It's in the air. I think we underestimate the trauma of living through a pandemic for the last couple of years. There's a collective, societal trauma that we're witnessing. It's causing people to rethink what they value as well as leading to upheaval in various spheres (personal, cultural, political...)

Re: Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

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> Maybe therapy could help.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

You’re beginning that existential question of what matters to you and what you want to spend your time doing. As soon as you do that, uncertainty will creep into far more than just your work.

You chased the golden dream, now you “have it” and are near the top given your nice high salary. You’re not at the absolute tippy top, but you’re closer to the summit than at the base of the mountain.

Congrats, your Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is mostly met and now you’re getting mildly philosophical about your life and work.

It sounds like you’re in a state where you’ve learned to grind. It paid off, now you’re trying to keep up the pace by continuing learning to eek out that last bit of performance from your engine as you speed along.

I was there too. Voracious learning felt like I was building, finding my niche, but I was bored with what I did at work.

The solution is to go to therapy and discuss this problem directly with them. Explain how what you have put all this time into is now boring you, you feel the need to change, but are unsure how to. You want to stay motivated.

Get ready for a big change. You’re about to uncover topics like burn out, depression, expectations for life, building meaningful and fulfilling relationships… this is the meaning of life stuff.

Possibly, you’re putting too much weight of importance on your job. You may be letting it define you.

You’ll need to process all this and more. It’s going to take time. I suggest therapy so you don’t end up in the deep pot holes I did before I decided to eventually start talking to someone about the uncertainties in my life and how I handle them.

Good luck, this is a big topic you’ve just opened up for yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

#43
post #14

This is called burnout, you don't fix it by doing more work - including self study. Take a long weekend every few weeks, go to yosemite. Or fly to vegas and cut loose. Pick up golf or pickleball or whatever. Make some friends who aren't engineers and live a bit. Then you can come back to work with a fresh mind and care enough to get your shit done well.

I started doing those random weekend trips to cope with my burnout and became of those SWEs living paycheck to paycheck making $250K.

It can also isolate you from normie friends/family who obviously can’t afford to travel like this.

If you’re 20-something and sick of it all and you’ve never been to Vegas, hell yeah you should go, I’m just saying don’t sleepwalk into bad habits.

Re: Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

#44
post #22

If you got a job at a high-status tech company in California, you can get another job at a different tech company. It's like complaining you got into Harvard and other Ivy League schools wouldn't want you. If you want to work on something different, you can only do that by getting a different job, either in the same company or at another one. If you stay where you are, you know you won't get what you want, so you nee…

You’re missing the point. He’s unmotivated despite where he is. He’s trying to figure out why, not simply to walk over to the greener grass.

No, I did not miss the point.

I have never, in my entire life, seen someone who is unhappy with their job somehow find happiness without changing jobs. And it's not good enough to find hobbies or devote time to family -- if you don't like your job, you don't like 1/3 of your waking hours and you should really do something about that. If the job is the source of unhappiness, staying in the job will perpetuate the problem.

Furthermore, the OP is in a very privileged position and has many options available, as does anyone else who works at a large California tech company.

Re: Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

#45
post #10

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Watch that. Doesn't always work. Not everyone you will work with loves what you love or gives as much of a shit about it as you do. And it's painful watching them fuck it up day after day after day. Eventually you end up disliking it by proxy. I'm also a weirdo. I intensely dislike what I do for a living but I'm good at it and the money is pretty excellent. And I hate it enough to want to do a quality job of it and a…

> And I hate it enough to want to do a quality job of it and automate as much of it as possible so I can do something more interesting with my time instead. How does this work in a full time job where you hate what you are doing? When you automate something, you're not freeing up time to do whatever you want. You're just freeing up time to do more of what you don't like, isn't it?

Only if you make the automation public. Plenty of data input guys didn't mention they automated their job and raked in a full FTE working a few hours a week.

Doesn't work as well these days since most knowledge gets shared and a lot of devs are too eager to reveal their cards.

Re: Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

#46

It sounds like you're burned out. Take a vacation ASAP. Take that time to rest. Beyond vacations, make sure you take one day/week where you rest - actually rest . Eschew productivity on that day. This was called sabbath in the past and was connected with religion, but there's much to learn from that tradition of a weekly rhythm of rest to create a secular sabbath. Disconnect - turn off the phone, get away from screen…

>Take a vacation ASAP.

Not as a specific reaction to burnout but in the past I've taken 3 to 4 week trips (often group trips) where I've largely disconnected. Takes more discipline to do that now most places than it used to be but can be a total change of pace. What type of trip of course depends on what sort of thing interests you. Take a look at something like the Wilderness Travel catalog to get an idea for the options out there. (Are many such companies but I've had good luck with them.)

Re: Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

#47
post #5

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Or find something to work on that you actually care about. I don't have any trouble working on something for 12 hours a day when I find it intrinsically interesting and meaningful.

No matter how much you love it, 12 hours a day will never be healthy long term. This is what pro level athletes do to compete and get into the Olympics and they regularly burn out after a few years of it. I strongly urge you to take the time to establish a long term pace that will allow you to regularly decompress from work, learning, and stress every single day as well as whole “step-away” moments for weeks at a tim…

I agree that pacing and breaks are important and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I was offering an alternative perspective to the claim that "most people only have 4 hours of work in them". I just don't think that's true for people who are working on things they find intrinsically motivating. I'm also skeptical of the claim that that 60 hours a week isn't healthy long term, assuming you have the right habits in place. But I'll admit that I haven't really looked into the research on this, if it exists.

Re: Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

#48

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> And I hate it enough to want to do a quality job of it and automate as much of it as possible so I can do something more interesting with my time instead. How does this work in a full time job where you hate what you are doing? When you automate something, you're not freeing up time to do whatever you want. You're just freeing up time to do more of what you don't like, isn't it?

Only if you make the automation public. Plenty of data input guys didn't mention they automated their job and raked in a full FTE working a few hours a week. Doesn't work as well these days since most knowledge gets shared and a lot of devs are too eager to reveal their cards.

No comment :)

Re: Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

#49
I would humbly caution against looking to a job to fill an emotional void or you will be left feeling empty. It may help to find some friends, connect with family if possible, engage in activities which nurture the emotional self (caring for plants, animals, other human beings). All the best

Re: Ask HN: Tips to relearn how to care about my job?

#50
Your life is full of abundance but it has no meaning. Figure out how to create meaning or else you’ll continuously burnout as you’re working for no reason. For me it was deciding to have a kid, but that is specific to my life circumstances.

What I’ve come to believe is that responsibility is the meaning of life, so try adding responsibility to your life.

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