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Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

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Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

#41

Unless you’re teaching don’t waste your time. To me it smells like a vanity play, unless you’re doing it so you can get another 100k per year. And yes, I can hear the people saying education is always a good thing to have. But it reminds me of so many friends who have jobs less than 100k per year in the USA and go to take a masters degree. In almost every case, the higher degree did not change the outcomes they wante…

> To me it smells like a vanity play, unless you’re doing it so you can get another 100k per year.

Hehe, it’s vanity unless you’re only doing it for money? This is twisted! ;)

> The world is moving to a place where degrees are no longer worth what they were in almost every profession

Do you have any stats or data to back this up? This is a common trope here and elsewhere (ala “Joe the Plumber”), but it seems to be largely not true AFAICT. The St. Louis Fed recently published a paper [1] arguing degree holders are saving less over time. The problem is, it was misleading because savings was measured relative to income (they’re suggesting that someone with $100k salary and $1M in savings is better off that someone with a $200k salary and $1.9M in savings.) And in the paper they demonstrated conclusively that in the US, 4-year degree holders earn on average 2x what non-degree-holders earn. And advanced degree holders (master’s, PhD, doctors, lawyers) earn on average 3x what non-degree holders earn (and 50% more than bachelors). Three times! This data isn’t a statistical sampling, BTW, the Fed has data on all US citizens.

As someone who’s generally in favor of education for education’s sake, I was blown away by how high the income premium of degrees is, I thought the bachelor’s degree might be worth something like 15% extra income, maybe. 2x and 3x averages are simply freaking enormous, and TBH a bit concerning how high they are. It’s hard to justify numbers that large, similar to what’s happened to CEO pay in the US. But with this in mind, it’s easy to see why parents push their kids to university, and why the costs have been going up and up and up.

So based on the Fed’s data, it seems like your summary here could be the opposite of good advice? Shouldn’t people know if having a degree generally enables a different lifestyle? I don’t doubt your friends’ experience; it is possible your anecdotal sampling doesn’t match this data. Averages are averages, and degrees definitely do not guarantee any specific income for any specific person. But the part your argument completely fails to address is the credentialism of advanced degrees - the number of jobs not available to anyone without one. The research teams in large corps for example are generally PhDs, it’s very hard to get in otherwise.

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Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

#42

Unless you’re teaching don’t waste your time. To me it smells like a vanity play, unless you’re doing it so you can get another 100k per year. And yes, I can hear the people saying education is always a good thing to have. But it reminds me of so many friends who have jobs less than 100k per year in the USA and go to take a masters degree. In almost every case, the higher degree did not change the outcomes they wante…

There are still a huge number of industries and fields in the engineering and sciences that require graduate degrees and that will not be changing anytime soon.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

#43

I went straight to work and didn't get to college until 41/42. I'm working on my undergrad and plan to continue to my masters. I've found it incredibly rewarding for two main reasons. First, since I have a career already, I'm free of the pressure to go to school for career purposes and can focus on something I enjoy, which also provides immense value to what I'm doing every day (I chose philosophy, much more relevant…

Can you expand on how you found philosophy practical?

The ability to conceptualize and abstract a problem into its component parts is a key skill that will never underserve you.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

#44

I went straight to work and didn't get to college until 41/42. I'm working on my undergrad and plan to continue to my masters. I've found it incredibly rewarding for two main reasons. First, since I have a career already, I'm free of the pressure to go to school for career purposes and can focus on something I enjoy, which also provides immense value to what I'm doing every day (I chose philosophy, much more relevant…

> (I chose philosophy, much more relevant and practical than I think many realize).

As others have already asked, could you expand on this? Very interested.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

#46

I went straight to work and didn't get to college until 41/42. I'm working on my undergrad and plan to continue to my masters. I've found it incredibly rewarding for two main reasons. First, since I have a career already, I'm free of the pressure to go to school for career purposes and can focus on something I enjoy, which also provides immense value to what I'm doing every day (I chose philosophy, much more relevant…

Can you expand on how you found philosophy practical?

My daughter is a philosophy major while most of my family has been STEM for generations (father's an engineer, mother taught college math, grandfather was an engineer). I'm reassured by the requirements for formal logic, and the obvious applications in law, but also at the intersection of law, ethics, and many of the ML systems that I foresee coming online.

She actually brought up this Harvard philosophy professor who had a story about keeping track of parantheses. I took advantage of the opportunity to show her the connections to Curry and from there to Lisp and the Little Schemer. She got it. She can reason, formally. That's important.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

#48
I did my master's online part-time at DePaul. I started at 40 and finished at 45. I feel it was basically a glorified BS degree but it has served its purpose. No regrets.

My kids were 5 y/o and 2 y/o when I started.

I'm 52 now and just started a job that has tuition reimbursement. I was (am) all excited about getting another MS but right now not sure. The soonest I would start would be next August, I want to get my feet under me at the new job.

If you have the means and determination I say go for it.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

#49
Just a few words from the other side of the table: I have the highest respect for students sitting there who juggle college, family, sometimes job, after having worked for a while already.

It’s wonderful to have someone listening because of a conscious decision rather than just following the obvious next step. Interact with your professor, ask questions, I’d hope most will try to be supportive, especially when you’re their age or even older. Best of luck to everyone doing this, it’s amazing.

Re: Ask HN: How did you start higher education after 40?

#50
While I'm not older than 40, there are quite a few people in my Master's program who are. I'm in the OMSCS program at Georgia Tech, Online Maters in Computer Science (https://omscs.gatech.edu/). It's exactly as it sounds, a 10 course Master's degree from Georgia tech that you can get from your own home. That is not to say that it's like a MOOC you might take on Coursera randomly, it's a full Master's program where you need to complete the same assignments as any on-campus student. It's not easy, one will easily spend 20+ hours a week studying or working on projects/homework.

Further on the plus side, it's only ~$6400 for the entire degree and you can take just one course at a time.

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