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Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

antisthenes wrote: post #24
ParetoOptimal wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People who refuse to work from the office, even a few days out of the week, look like total snowflakes to me. I thought the level of intelligence on HN was higher than this.

There's a substantial layer of people in the US who derive most of their meaning from work and don't have a social circle outside of coworkers. It's easy for them to lash out against an outgroup. I wouldn't take it personally.

What bothers me most isn't about me personally, but how much it pretends like both immunocompromised people and disabled people don't exist.

That and the fact that we're still in the covid pandemic (though I'm rooting for the univeral vaccine) and monkeypox looks to be getting worse.

My worst case-scenario would be something like:

- back to school, covid and/or monkeypox cases silently spreading - September "come back to office or be fired" mandate brings people back to office - covid and/or monkeypox spread from back to school merges with back to office

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by egeozcan »

frellus wrote: post #12

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> People who refuse to work from the office, even a few days out of the week, look like total snowflakes to me.

Why are you being a "snowflake" and judging people on some personal decisions which doesn't affect you at all?

By the way, I really don't like that word ("snowflake" to mean too-sensitive, fragile) and you could as well say that people are making a big deal out of it, and with that you are just judging individual actions, and not labeling people.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by bigmattystyles »

falcolas wrote: post #28
01100011 wrote: post #15

China is falling into recession. Europe is falling into recession. A Federal Reserve governor(Kashkari) is now expressing doubt that inflation can be reined in without triggering a recession. Stonks have recovered from the initial drop, but that is a familiar pattern in many previous stock bubbles before the market really plummets. Think really hard about switching jobs now. If you do, have liquid reserves to fall ba…

I know this isn’t quite what you’re meaning, but it sounds like you’re saying “don’t quit so they can fire you instead.”

All things being equal, you are much less likely to be laid off from an employer you have been with, where you have a track record than at a place where you’re the new person and still need to be trained / onboarded

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by null_object »

frellus wrote: post #12

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> People who refuse to work from the office, even a few days out of the week, look like total snowflakes to me. I think the flexibility is good, and hardline rules will not go over well, but likewise I think people who refuse to work in the office at all -- when they're local! -- are eventually going be terminated.

This is the sort of toxic colleague people are choosing to avoid at the office.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

missedthecue wrote: post #38
frellus wrote: post #12

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There are a number of hiring boards and search engines that list jobs which are solely WFH. I wish I could find companies that are in-office only. I have a WeWork office, which I pay for with my own money. The change of scenery is nice, and I like commuting farther than 10 steps again, but what I really miss is being in one building with all my teammates. I cannot replicate that with a WeWork. I feel like I don't eve…

> I feel like I don't even know anyone in my company hired after March 2020.

Video call them? Work on something together?

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by [deleted] »

arcticbull wrote: post #4

Nah, I miss working with other humans. Spending every day in a closet typing by myself honestly sucks. That won't be true for everyone, some folks will have kids at home - but even those, I have to imagine will (a) get tired of the kids or (b) have their kids off at school and be in my situation. I've started biking to work (voluntarily) since there's a lot of flexibility, it's great to get some sunshine and fresh ai…

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Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by Jtsummers »

almost_usual wrote: post #37
bluefirebrand wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're in a country with any kind of decent labour rights, getting let go is 100% better than quitting. If you quit you don't get EI, you don't get any kind of payoff from the company, and it looks worse than "I was let go due to company downsizing" when interviewing.

So get fired for not commuting to work then.

If you want to qualify for unemployment (in the US), don't get fired. Losing your job through your own fault usually disqualifies you from collecting.

Re: Ask HN: Are you going to quit?

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Post by pm90 »

I would leave. Not because I don’t like the office; but trying to force employees to do this doesn’t sit well with me. Remote first with optional office for those who chose to should be the default strategy.

Anecdotally Ive continued to receive a similar amount of recruiter emails as I did before the market downturn a few months ago. So my current thinking is that tech layoffs are companies force purging to please the Wall Street gods while demand continues to stay stratospherically high for technology.

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