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Ask HN: In these uncertain times, how do you handle anxiousness

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Re: Ask HN: In these uncertain times, how do you handle anxiousness

#41
I would never suggest this out of the blue, but since you are asking: I recommend therapy. The Netflix comment is what makes me say this, as well as the “state of the world”. Most psychiatrists do online sessions now, and the first one tends to be free. I recommend trying 2 or 3 first sessions, and choosing one.

Depending on the diagnosis, eventually they might tell you to contact a psychiatrist to try some drugs. In my case, that helped. That’ll take time though. The therapist will probably start with the basics: sleep, food, social interaction, family, couple, exercise.

WRT the state of the world: you first have to accept that you are not going to be able to fix the whole world on your own. The cpu cycles you spend thinking about that is wasted energy. Concentrate on what you can do. That depends on your circumstances and your motivation. Donate money to charities or political parties. Teach children in the local school. Plant threes. Investigate and write to motivate others. Whatever you think will improve things.

Then (very important, but also difficult) transform those thoughts into action - don’t just them just fester inside your head. Take a piece of paper and a calendar and make a plan, and commit to it.

Also, beware that there’ll be setbacks and problems. Don’t be hard on yourself when those arrive. It’s part of the process.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: In these uncertain times, how do you handle anxiousness

#43
I'm not sure if this helps you but my goal is to earn enough money and then life on my own farm care free were.i can then make me self sufficient.

Perhaps you need a goal for your money as well?

Perhaps you already have enough to buy something which gives you the safety net to fall onto?

For me my own little farm means water storage and solar panels and wood and stuff.

But it also means creating a garden for more biodiversity and building the soil up and trying to build it sustainable.

The farm could also have enough space to provide shelter for the rest of your family if they desire to join you.

Re: Ask HN: In these uncertain times, how do you handle anxiousness

#44

I wrote this up a few days ago to help remind myself what to do when things get bad. It's not really meant to be public, so please don't share. Maybe some of these techniques will help. https://anxiety.vos.lol/

But I do recommend therapy first. You can use some online service like BetterHelp or one of the competitors. Better to give money to an individual though. But whatever is easiest for you.

Re: Ask HN: In these uncertain times, how do you handle anxiousness

#45
Given my income and my economic situation I shouldn't feel anxious, yet I can't relax thinking every hour spent watching netflix is in a way costing me ~110$.

It doesn't work this way.

Money is a fiction we created, a way to measure debts and legal liabilities. (Barter economies never existed; money emerges very quickly, and is used for this purpose.) Time is real, and it's yours. You deserve time to relax. If you spend every hour optimizing for work productivity, you'll burn yourself out and have "unplanned downtime"... trust me, that's not what you want. Better to work at a reasonable pace--in the long run, no one does more than ~1500 hours per year of meaningful work anyway--and avoid the stochasticity of unplanned downtime.

I work on my hard and soft skills through certifications so I can up even more my hourly rate.

There's nothing wrong with that. You've got to do what's best for you. No one eles will.

It's a never ending race, I've been playing this game since 2016, finding new ways to earn more, not because I'm passionate about it, but because I'm anxious everything could come crashing down in a couple of years and I'll need the money.

I hate saying this, but it could. Disaster can happen to any of us, whether personal in scale (sickness) or global (sickness again, because COVID-19 isn't necessarily over). Everyone is in the same boat, even the very rich (Bezos or Musk could get cancer). The negative outliers are dreadful. An air conditioner could fall on you tomorrow. The probability of each of your atoms quantum tunneling into the far reaches of the universe, although so infinitesimally small it's ridiculous, is technically nonzero.

This is probably an unpopular suggestion, but studying religion (don't feel pushed to pick one; study many) often helps. For my part, I think Buddhism has the most accurate model of mind and impermanence, Judaism has the strongest theology and ethics, and Christianity has a great model in Jesus (even if I don't consider him to be messiah, nor believe he considered himself such) of how to live in the world. The ancients were smarter than we give them credit for.

I feel like we are destroying our planet, destroying our economy, we make poor people poorer, stir political extremes, we alienate the younger generation with social medias, there is war in Europe, everything is about politics when it should be about science and people...

This is all true, but if you're not directly making it worse, then you shouldn't feel bad about it. If you're mining Bitcoin, you have something to feel bad about. If you're building websites for restaurants, you shouldn't feel guilty, because even though you are technically participating in capitalism--an objectively immoral system--you're also helping people (who, like you, need to eat) better their lives.

No one can predict the future. Will capitalism throw humanity off the rails? Or will it be overthrown? (And will such overthrow be a good thing, or will it be replaced by something worse?) No one knows the answers. All you can hold yourself responsible for is living one day at a time.

I've tried not caring, going to bars and restaurants and beautiful places in vacation, getting a new car, finding hobbies... but I can't pretend, I don't know how to cope anymore.

This never helps as much as it should. Hedonic adaptation happens fast. Read more, learn more, and while it's good to stay aware of the world and your role in it, this too can be overdone. You're not killing the planet every time you drive to the grocery store--at least, no more than lightning kills the planet when it starts a forest fire, as it has done for hundreds of millions of years--it's far, far more complicated than that and you can't hold yourself responsible for decisions made by others.

Re: Ask HN: In these uncertain times, how do you handle anxiousness

#47
Listen to the jokers telling you you're worrying about things out of your control. You have access to things others don't. Remember your gifts. You can use them to transform into someone who can have a more effective influence on the world around you. The issue is we've been socially/culturally/linguistically programmed with busted mental models caked with denial. This cake is always made up of literal lies, like "I am white" or "There exists a sustainable way to cling to life without slowly killing oneself" or "A comment on the internet can't possibly be the stimulus for a heart attack."

What's the finite set of universal human needs? How can we show this? One way is to compile a list from all the lists online and see what needs you're not meeting. Work on getting those met. Sounds like you've got some acceptance going unmet, as well as some mourning. Do you have effective grieving strategies? Have you cried through envisioning the death of the last human? What about extinction by asteroid? There's a whole world of death to explore and accept! This is why we're starting a traveling circus meant for healing, grieving, and more.

Anxiety is normal for any beliefs out of alignment with reality/nature like "There's nothing we can do about it" or "I'm but one person." And no matter what your beliefs, if you have a chronically unmet need for something and you're making plans that continue to deny it, the parts of the body needing that thing may naturally get anxious.

Money literally isn't a human need, so if you think a collapse is coming and you don't know how to live without money, part of you is probably aware you can get pretty screwed pretty quick in that scenario. So go learn that. Consider a change in career. Have you considered running away to a weird traveling donation-driven circus, becoming a death clown, and learning what it's like to have 0 money and not feel anxious? Cause that's where I'm at and I wish this peace for all. The Caravan Stage Company has also been rolling this way for decades. Maybe check them out? If you do this kind of work on yourself, you may become a person who's equipped to help family through anything. That's the journey I'm on, or so I hope. I suspect I can show it works mathematically.

Re: Ask HN: In these uncertain times, how do you handle anxiousness

#48
I stumbled upon this insightful comment in Reddit and I think you might benefit from it [1]:

-- hi OP. Hey i am 66 (I still can't believe that number, haha. Luckily I am still super healthy). I was in 2nd grade when president Kennedy was shot in the head, live on national television. His brain flew out into his wife's lap. It set off a wave of assassinations (president's brother, MLK, etc). I grew up knowing that the yellow and black triangles symbol meant "fallout shelter" and we were supposed to go there in case of nuclear attack. We did "duck and cover" drills in elementary school. Hide under your desks. Once, they sent us home with pamphlets about nuclear attack preparation. OK don't laugh, the pamphlet said "wear loose white clothing in case of nuclear detonation. Don't look directly at the explosion." They flew warplanes overhead once per week after bedtime, faster than the speed of sound, and we would hear the "sonic boom" which scared the crap out of me. It rattled the windows, shook the house. People were truly panicked, using their life savings to dig holes in their backyard, and building and equipping "bomb shelters" to try to survive nuclear fallout. It didn't feel like that stuff was ever resolved, it just faded from attention, it was buried by other distractions both negative and positive. Wasn't too much later the government had a giant meltdown that scared the crap out of everyone. It was right as I came of voting age, haha! Oh my god. Watergate, it was called. Huge corruption scandal, everyone was just breathless with shock and disgust and fear. At that time people around me trusted the government to be solid enough to remain (seemingly) just, and we learned it could seemingly recover, at least back then. Around this time we were also in a totally illegal war, and we had a freaking lottery to decide which 18-year-olds would be forced to go fight the Viet Cong in the jungles of southeast asia. High school grads coming back in body bags, kids running away to Canada to avoid getting roped into the army. And hippies happened, communes, free love, weed -- all of which caused the older ones to lose their minds because society looked to them to be coming apart. Some of us died. Most of us lived. You are living the stories you will tell young people, when its your turn to comfort them. None of this is to minimize what you are sensing around you! You are awake and aware, you are not overreacting. I am so sorry. I wish I could just listen to you for a couple hours. You are having one of those wakeup moments. We all will be each having our own wakeup moments. Our job is to comfort each other when we feel like this. We will all adapt and do our human best to cope with whats coming. Help each other not freeze in place, but take the most intelligent and resourceful steps we can muster. The system is unable to help, its unreliable --

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/v9l0j6/i...

Re: Ask HN: In these uncertain times, how do you handle anxiousness

#49
post #8

99% of the world's population would happily trade with you, just focus on this.

I'm not comparing my life with someone so far away from my life as there is just no relation.

And besides that, we are the group of people who have the best chance to see the bigger picture due to our good life's.its not helping me if I know that the person in china has air pollution and other issues and is busy with there also stressful life's and is too busy to see climate change

Also while I care about bio diversity there are plenty of people who don't.

Should I now stop caring? Probably not.

Re: Ask HN: In these uncertain times, how do you handle anxiousness

#50
By working harder and harder for the digital economy you are actively contributing the problems you've listed. Stacking up piles of money is the last thing you should do if you care about pollution, war and digital alienation.

Take a look at game theory and the prisoner dilemma if you haven't already. The "me first" mentality is killing us. The textbook example is gun ownership. You may feel personally safer by owning a gun but places with more guns have more shootings. So in reality by owning a gun you're actually increasing your chances of getting shot.

The digital economy is at the epicenter of the issues you've listed. It's a resource sink generating a lot of pollution, has always been closely linked to the war industry and is a factor of increased inequality and mental health issues.

My recommendation would be that instead of trying to escape through consumerism, you include activities in your life that try to address the problems you've identified. Support local organic food supply, join non-profit organizations helping the poor, host war refugees, spread knowledge about environmental destruction, corruption of your political leaders, digital alienation, etc. These are just examples, do what every floats your boat. By starting to fight against problems that make you anxious instead of trying to flee from them, you will feel better. It's also important that you team up with other people that have similar concerns.

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