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Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You should never quit until you have another offer in hand. Assuming you don't want some time out in between jobs of course.

Of course! I just meant don't quit out of spite ever. It's always better to keep plodding along at your current job (income, health insurance, etc) until you find an alternative. Whatever spike of adrenaline/endorphins you get in that moment will not be worth it in the long run.

Another way to put it is “revenge is a dish best served cold”.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#42

If you admit to being offensive and often having conflicts, it sounds like you already have an idea of why you did not get a raise. I'd tell your boss that refusal to talk about makes you feel like you are not wanted there, so if they do want you on the team, that discussion needs to happen. And if it doesn't, then yes - it sounds like there are some problems in both directions, so maybe it is time to find something…

> I'd tell your boss that refusal to talk about makes you feel like you are not wanted there...

IMO, he's probably not wanted there given what he's said about himself and that the boss won't talk about it. The whole situation sounds to me like they don't want to fire him but are hoping he'll leave.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#45

You should never quit until you have another offer in hand. > Reason that I did not get pay rise might be that I'm not afraid to criticize some stupid ideas, and I'm very offensive when it comes to handling projects (I lead, and I work hard). So I often have some silly(very short lived) conflicts with some of the engineers. I'm all about pushing back on "stupid ideas" but you might want to think about coming up with…

> You should never quit until you have another offer in hand. Assuming you don't want some time out in between jobs of course.

All bets are off if you have even minimal "fuck you" money, of course.

Most people don't, though. They can't go long without a job, and having a gap on their résumé is scary (for good reason—if you need a job, anything that might make getting the next one a little harder isn't good).

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#46
Someone mentioned below "fuck you money". If you are in a good position financially, you can fuck right off that place and never look back. Take a month off or two. It really does free space in your head. I can only speak from my experience, but it is the best thing that I did. I was making good money, but when you are burnt it really does not matter. Also like someone suggested, around August is when the hiring process gets hot. And yes, job hopping is where you will get most of your pay increase. Never get attached to your job. It is always business. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#47
"Bosses refuse to talk to me about it", if you have given them reasonable time to consider your request there are a couple of realities to consider: 1. They may not be able to meet your request (ie their hands are truly tied). This could range from they believe you are already at the upper end of salary 'bins' for your position or they do not have the money. There are many reasons, and you will not know which it is, and whatever you think its likely wrong. 2. They aren't in your corner, at least in this issue, and potentially believe that giving you a raise sends the wrong message about near-term performances (this could include "tough" talk about "stupid" ideas or outright confrontation that is causing them headaches). No "thank you" for working weekends is another example of headache generators as it represents crossing the professional/homelife boundary. Bosses don't want headaches.

You should apply to other positions, it sounds like you are frustrated... or worse get some enjoyment from being frustrated. It is in your best interest to not be this way, and it can give you some illusionary ego boosts that are toxic.

From someone who has treated most jobs like a lifestyle, a job is a job and you shouldn't be more invested than this.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#48
post #15

No pay rise is pretty common in most companies in most years. You should think about what you really want. Do you want higher comp? Or do you want to work less? or a change to a different role? Promotion? Time off? Dont ask us what is best for you.

I want my pay to keep up with inflation - I understand that with 20 years of experience I'm at the top of where and engineer can get, but if my raises don't match inflation I'm getting a pay cut. If you really mean to give me a pay cut, then be honest about it.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#49
Just quit dude. I worked and was underpaid while working for a douchebag boss on a scummy team for years and it caused a ton of stress. As long as you have a few months of expenses covered you’ll be fine.

I was trying to “wait till I got an offer” like everyone says and interview during work hours. Eventually a meeting got rescheduled to a time I had an interview, so I told the meeting organizer I couldn’t make it and didn’t show. Then my manager & director started hounding me like a pack of howler monkeys. After I was done with my interviews I got back to them and quit on the spot because they were being jackasses. Then I literally got multiple job offers the next day and had another company compete against them, now I’m making 2x what I was making and everybody is super nice and cool.

Looking back, I wish I had just quit earlier, when you’re in a shitty situation you stay in it hoping it gets better, when you should really just give up and recalibrate your life. There’s no glory in working on a team of uninspiring douchebags.

Re: Ask HN: I did not get pay rise – as only person in team. Should I quit?

#50
I'd like to take a step back for a moment here.

I see this pattern in career conversations online. Someone has an issue at work, they ask online if they should quit, and the overwhelming answer is a resounding yes. The problem with this is that this reaction doesn't leave room for introspection. If OP has an underlying issue that's holding them back, they might resolve it by changing companies in the short term, but it will always come back to haunt them if left unaddressed.

Back to your question, I would consider unacceptable to not get at least an inflation meeting raise every year. On the other hand you admit that your behaviour might be at the root of this outcome.

So yes, by all means make your stance clear and start looking for new positions. But before that, do some deep and honest introspection and consider working on yourself. Otherwise we will likely see a similar post in a couple of years complaining about how unfair your new workplace is.

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