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Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

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I am so confused with comments in this threads. Since when did tech employees became so submissive and scared? As far as I know, having 2 jobs is not illegal, not unethical. Many, sadly, low income families have to work two or more jobs. We in tech make enough but what if you are bored and need more challenges. My current second job is family but I know multiple single engineers (or in one case, with grown up kids) w…

Working a side job is typically not allowed for most full-time employees, at least not without permission.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

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post #40

I am so confused with comments in this threads. Since when did tech employees became so submissive and scared? As far as I know, having 2 jobs is not illegal, not unethical. Many, sadly, low income families have to work two or more jobs. We in tech make enough but what if you are bored and need more challenges. My current second job is family but I know multiple single engineers (or in one case, with grown up kids) w…

Having 2 jobs isn't inherently illegal. But pretty much every single full-time employment contract for an SWE that I've seen, stipulated that I am not allowed to have any other full-time job for the period of my employment.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#43
Did it legitimately over the pandemic because I'm a solo consultant/contractor and don't have exclusivity clauses so I manage multiple clients, however, it has come up in interviews when they look at dates because I put them all on my CV.

Key observations to share are:

- the more different the jobs are, the more managable they are, as the complete context switch is as good as a break. It's not task context switching which is costly, it's role switching, which can be uplifting because there is a "you" in between the roles that is separate from each of them. Most highly successful people have intense hobbies for the same reason.

- Lying destroys your mental health. You don't need to lie if you set and relate with clear personal and professional boundaries. It's a kind of moral identity you have to set. Lying is weak, and indicates you've made some upstream errors that you just don't make when you are a pro. I asked a mentor for advice about something once and he said, "I don't get into the kinds of situations where this is even a question." If you are lying, for your own sake, stop.

- Stress really only comes from failing (nobody gets tired of winning, maybe just bored), so having another source of success improves your attitude and that pays off on both gigs massively. Success gives you a refreshing vibe to be around, and most jobs don't provide enough of it, so bringing exogenous success to relationships and work is huge.

- Working as a consultant in large institutions, there are employees and managers who make sabotaging and undermining consultants a kind of sport, so you need the durable skills for handling those people, as if you are doing multiple jobs, your biggest risk comes from people who won't respect your boundaries. That's a general life lesson as well.

- Realistically, nobody questions anything if you are succeeding, so if someone gets "suspicious," it's really that you aren't delivering value for them and it's time to improve or move on anyway.

- Have a plan to invest the increased revenue and don't spend it. You are giving up so much of your life to do the extra work, blowing it on representative and symbolic pleasures is just remedial, and becoming enslaved to the hedonic treadmill is a recipe for burnout. There is no there there. Luxury mainly makes up for impostor syndrome and blowing money satisfies a self destructive urge. If you wouldn't buy it if nobody else could see it, don't buy it.

- Have a plan to outsource or compensate for all the personal balls you are going to drop like new relationships, home and vehicle maintenance, accounting, gym time (get a home gym), nutrition, pet care. If you can do a master's degree while working, you can do a second job, and people with families manage, but if you don't have commitment and buy in from your partner, consider that the additional revenue is just going to become a bigger support obligation when you destroy your marriage making it, so take care.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#44
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take a lot of issue with you framing this as "cheating." How is it cheating? How do you know the 9-5 necessarily suffers?

because by definition you're being paid for your time. I've never seen a non-contract tech position scoped as "here's an exhaustive set of responsibilities; you'll be paid 40 hrs/week to accomplish them but if you finish early the time is yours". According to your profile you're a new EM; can you honestly say there's a point in your day when the job is done-done and you can jump over to your other job?

Depends on the manager and the type of work. When younger I was working as a part of junior admin team for big ISP. Every day we'd all get the roughly same amount of maintenance tasks to do - but since, unlike other guys, I was into programming I automated a lot of it (and probably was a little faster and more focused in general) - so I'd finish it in about a half of the time they needed. Now I was quite clear that I will not do more work than others unless I get paid more, and the manager wanted to keep me, but because of bureaucracy and syndicate I couldn't get the raise. So we stroke an internal deal that once I clear my tasks I'm free to do whatever I want with my time, as long as others don't know about it.

Now, I wish I could say I did something smart with that time, but it was a long time ago, so I mostly spent that time playing Starcraft or chatting on IRC :)

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

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I find it hard to believe the statistic in the video that 37% of remote workers are working multiple jobs, with the implication that means full-time workers.

Is that statistic actually for full-time workers doing overlapping time, and is there evidence? Or does it include all the people whose remote work is an hour here and there in random gig economy freelance tasks, where it's perfectly natural to have multiple commitments?

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#46
post #40

I am so confused with comments in this threads. Since when did tech employees became so submissive and scared? As far as I know, having 2 jobs is not illegal, not unethical. Many, sadly, low income families have to work two or more jobs. We in tech make enough but what if you are bored and need more challenges. My current second job is family but I know multiple single engineers (or in one case, with grown up kids) w…

Working a side job is typically not allowed for most full-time employees, at least not without permission.

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Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#47
post #40

I am so confused with comments in this threads. Since when did tech employees became so submissive and scared? As far as I know, having 2 jobs is not illegal, not unethical. Many, sadly, low income families have to work two or more jobs. We in tech make enough but what if you are bored and need more challenges. My current second job is family but I know multiple single engineers (or in one case, with grown up kids) w…

Working a side job is typically not allowed for most full-time employees, at least not without permission.

My current Fortune 500 tech company's contract explicitly said that if I moonlight, I cannot work for their competitors. And if I get a second job or contract work, I should discuss it with my manager or HR. It does't say anywhere that I cannot have second job at all.

I know 2 SWE in the company who actually discussed this with their managers and got okay in writing for their consulting businesses.

EDIT: Really curious if SWE actually read their contracts or they just assume that they are not allowed. I don't remember my contracts from earlier jobs. It would be interesting if we can have a site like levels.fyi for contracts.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#48
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take a lot of issue with you framing this as "cheating." How is it cheating? How do you know the 9-5 necessarily suffers?

I'm old enough and I have done this exact thing enough to know that of course it suffers. A lot more than you want to admit too. Even if you don't ever mix the 9-5 time with the freelance time, (Which FYI is nearly impossible in practice.) you just aren't going to be at your best when you show up the next day to work your 9-5 8-hour day after having worked a full day and moonlighted for another 4-6 hours afterward th…

> Human beings can only do one thing in any moment.

But not all things are equal. Some might be less than "one", and not require a full 8-hours.

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#49

New account not to dox myself here. I'm doing it. I very recently took on a second full time job. I work as a Release Engineer for both. It hasn't been too bad so far. The biggest thing is managing your calendars to avoid conflicts.

Do you often get into sitcom-like situations where you are in two different meetings at once and have to make sure you avoid any unmute mishaps? I'm specifically thinking a case where you have to respond in a way that would make sense to both calls at once.

I'm still pretty new to it. But that hasn't happened yet

Re: Ask HN: Who here is juggling two or more remote jobs? How is it working out?

#50
post #45

I find it hard to believe the statistic in the video that 37% of remote workers are working multiple jobs, with the implication that means full-time workers. Is that statistic actually for full-time workers doing overlapping time, and is there evidence? Or does it include all the people whose remote work is an hour here and there in random gig economy freelance tasks, where it's perfectly natural to have multiple com…

This seems to be the source: https://www.resumebuilder.com/7-in-10-remote-workers-have-mu...

The implication is certainly that these are two full-time jobs. I don't have data to counter it but, I'm sorry, this just doesn't pass the sniff test. Sure, lots of full-time workers may earn a few dollars on the side now and then but that's not what this article seems to be saying.

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