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Ask HN: Is there a pure SMS based UI?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a pure SMS based UI?

#41

Not that this is a solution for you now, but about 10-15 years ago there were a whole slew of SMS services which were super useful for those without data. Google 311 (EDIT: actually it was Google 411) let you conduct full searches, local listings, full text turn-by-turn navigation, weather, movie listings etc. You could also call a number and do an voice search that would text you back the results. Twitter, AIM, Face…

Texting Google in the early 2000’s was so cool. Felt like magic at the time.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a pure SMS based UI?

#43

Not that this is a solution for you now, but about 10-15 years ago there were a whole slew of SMS services which were super useful for those without data. Google 311 (EDIT: actually it was Google 411) let you conduct full searches, local listings, full text turn-by-turn navigation, weather, movie listings etc. You could also call a number and do an voice search that would text you back the results. Twitter, AIM, Face…

I can't remember the name of it, but there was a service where you would text a question akin to a Google search and a real human would respond with the answer. If you signed up to be one of the responders (and proved your ability to find and return an accurate result quickly), they paid you like $0.01 per answer.

I thought it was a neat idea back when everyone was still using dumb phones.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a pure SMS based UI?

#46

IP packets contain 20 bytes of headers, the rest is data. Theoretically you could create the world's worst VPN by stuffing the 140 bytes of an SMS absolutely full of binary data, with some compression of course. So I went looking for "IP over SMS" and actually found this: https://github.com/spandanb/ipos but it's for web browsers only. This old HN thread talks about the same concept: https://news.ycombinator.com/item…

These requirements sound very similar to something like LoRa, would be worth checking out stuff in that space too.

You could quite viably fetch the latest article from an RSS feed in this space, or reply to an email, even with minimal compression. The less technical the solution is the better.

I would definitely suggest to have some commands built in and have the ability to poll the current state of your service to ensure it's not being abused, etc. You also might need a human the other side to reboot it occasionally, so make it very simple to get back online.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a pure SMS based UI?

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Which part of the world?

Alaska. It is possible to get LEO phone / data, but it is more cost prohibitive. Unlimited SMS plans on LEO satellite services are relatively cheap.

Have you tried using these services? It can take anywhere from 5-60 minutes just to send a message. It's a reason they often go from 10-20 messages included in the monthly cost to unlimited for only a few bucks more. You're not going to be sending many. All sending and receiving happens through their proprietary application.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a pure SMS based UI?

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post #43

Not that this is a solution for you now, but about 10-15 years ago there were a whole slew of SMS services which were super useful for those without data. Google 311 (EDIT: actually it was Google 411) let you conduct full searches, local listings, full text turn-by-turn navigation, weather, movie listings etc. You could also call a number and do an voice search that would text you back the results. Twitter, AIM, Face…

I can't remember the name of it, but there was a service where you would text a question akin to a Google search and a real human would respond with the answer. If you signed up to be one of the responders (and proved your ability to find and return an accurate result quickly), they paid you like $0.01 per answer. I thought it was a neat idea back when everyone was still using dumb phones.

ChaCha. It shut down in 2016.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a pure SMS based UI?

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the OP must use SMS, not MMS. In the US it wasn't an issue. What was the trouble? Keep in mind I was sending it to one or two people. I have no doubt it doesn't work on a mass scale.

JMP.chat does pure SMS by default, you have to ask to be part of the MMS beta. I've only really tried AT&Ts gateways in the US from gmail, maybe something has changed but it never worked for me.

AT&Ts gateway worked for me around 2019. I was sending it from a domain that was set up with all the anti-spam things you have to set up to be a good sender (whatever rules so GMail etc don't dump all your messages right to spam, they are recorded but I don't recall them). It's possible that GMail was blacklisted because a lot of spammers had a ton of Gmail accounts.

Edit: Super important. You can turn that feature off per phone number. You (or your recipients) may have told att not to send them

Re: Ask HN: Is there a pure SMS based UI?

#50

IP packets contain 20 bytes of headers, the rest is data. Theoretically you could create the world's worst VPN by stuffing the 140 bytes of an SMS absolutely full of binary data, with some compression of course. So I went looking for "IP over SMS" and actually found this: https://github.com/spandanb/ipos but it's for web browsers only. This old HN thread talks about the same concept: https://news.ycombinator.com/item…

I managed to do something useful with iodine (IP over DNS), a couple of times. Performance is abysmal, but a simple SSH session might have some hope. Most web applications are impossible, and for email you must be lucky.
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