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Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#41

From my experience with cancer in my family, I think the number one thing I would recommend is that you should remember to keep treating your mother as the normal person she is, and not as a cancer patient. A lot of her life is going to be cancer this, cancer that, these drugs and those drugs, doctors A, B, C, and D, and always an another upcoming appointment on the calendar. It's tiring for her and it's hard to main…

Terminal cancer patient here, this advice is perfect.

Goal is to live as normally as possible. I super appreciate all the support of my friends and family, I just don't want them to treat me too differently.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#42

From my experience with cancer in my family, I think the number one thing I would recommend is that you should remember to keep treating your mother as the normal person she is, and not as a cancer patient. A lot of her life is going to be cancer this, cancer that, these drugs and those drugs, doctors A, B, C, and D, and always an another upcoming appointment on the calendar. It's tiring for her and it's hard to main…

> you should remember to keep treating your mother as the normal person she is, and not as a cancer patient.

Yes, please always remember that there's a person on the other end of that chemo pump. It's dehumanizing to just be a cancer patient in a chemo chair for days on end and to be constantly on the receiving end of sympathy.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#43
I'm in the US and my partner was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, and I was their sole source of health insurance, so to keep my focus on work I reminded myself every day that if I lost my job for any reason, we'd run out of money within weeks covering either COBRA or out-of-pocket expenses, lose our home, and they would probably die.

Taking paid caretaker leave for a spouse wasn't an option in my state, and my employer only offered unpaid protected leave; since we were losing my partner's income as well, that also wasn't sustainable, so I worked through it and used PTO as necessary. I was beyond fortunate to have an all-time best of my career manager when this happened; she took everything in stride, accomodated everything as I needed it within her power, rallied the team to cover in emergencies, and completely unprompted was the only person to send my partner flowers in the hospital — she even tracked down the room number herself so not to bother me.

To care for my partner, I took on all of the household responsibilities — we didn't have family nearby, and this took place entirely within the pandemic, so long-distance travel wasn't an option for them - and also all the transportation for infusions and follow-up appointments. I spent as much time with them as I could, worked from home (pandemic helped there), kept them company, cleaned up after them.

Beyond that, there's not much specific care you can provide for chemo side effects, and the effects can be unexpected. Make yourself available to them and set expectations with co-workers (if you can't take leave) and anyone else who relies on you that you'll need to be interrupted frequently.

Maybe the best thing you can do for them is ensure all end-of-life paperwork is in order. Make sure there's a will, a living will, advance directives, make sure they're all signed/witnessed/notarized, get a lawyer if you can afford it (especially if your employer can provide or refer one at a discount). Do it now, because you don't know when or if this will take a turn — treatments or cancer symptoms can start to erode their metal lucidity — and by that point it might be too late to get the signatures necessary.

However stressed you feel about things now, if cancer kills them, it will be so much more incredibly worse. Center yourself in the present. Put aside plans for the future and reconcile the past, now, because you can't do either of those when they're dead.

The harder thing on myself is getting any motivation to work back after the end. Whether that's the cancer going away for now or death, this will permanently change your relationship to work, especially tech work where you're exposed to or enable financial inequality.

I don't think anyone on here can help you with that because your response is going to be so entirely and uniquely your own that you'll have to find your own path onward. Try not to do it alone, try to find a community of cancer caretakers and survivors, but understand that being a caretaker will forever set you apart and change your perspective on making money, IPOs, million/billionaire founders, startup culture, blah fuckin blah.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#44

My sympathies. My father has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer a few months ago. He's lost a ton of weight and energy and has had a few minor endoscopic procedures and one by-pass surgery (tumor closed off end of his stomach). What's help me the most is how my father has dealt with it. He has the best attitude of anyone I've heard of with this condition. He's always positive. (Maybe that is not much help for you,…

NanoKnife bought my father probably another year or two of fairly good qol. I'd recommend looking into it if you haven't already. Sounds like your father has a similar way of dealing with it to mine.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#45
Oh man, quite the history for me here.

My dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer when I was 18/19 (freshman year in college). My mother was diagnosed with lymphoma when I was 21/22 (senior year). Both of them went through some combination of chemotherapy/radiation/etc. - I honestly don't remember every detail. Both went into remission for a period of time.

My mother was then again diagnosed with lymphoma (it came back) during my mid 20's, went through treatment, and recovered (still in remission).

One last lash of cancer hit her in my 30's but was quickly resolved through a single mastectomy.

It was my mother's second round of lymphoma that strained us all the most. She felt like garbage for what seemed like an endless amount of time. That coincided with an extraordinarily period of time at work in my early-ish career. I don't recall telling my boss at the time. She was a wreck, we were a wreck. I wouldn't wish that combination on anyone.

So, I was mentally and emotionally drained because of my mom's situation but didn't do a good job articulating that to anyone. I was performing poorly at work but don't think I mentioned any of this to my boss. I am sure I seemed like a wreck and certainly performed in various aspects of life as if something was off.

Looking back at it all, I have three points of advice: 1. Tell people about your situation so that they aren't misinformed about your overall state (good or bad).

2. As cromulent said, use the help that's offered. You probably aren't as functional as you want to be. Let people help you.

3. Finally, don't think about telling people "not to worry" about you. They will anyways. The people who will ask you questions and support you are the people you want nearby, even if you don't feel that way some or all days. My hunch is you'll ultimately feel better the more you let people in rather than trying to find ways to keep your guard high.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#46
Really sorry to hear this. I am currently going through a similar situation with my father. I don't have any good coping mechanisms for you, sorry. All I can say is try and spend as much time with your loved ones as possible and be present when you do. I love getting my family (parents especially) to tell stories about their lives, good fun.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#47
I am so sorry to hear this, I have lost my mother to cancer earlier this year. It's a pain that I could have never imagined before. I think the most important thing you can do is to be there, spend 1000% of available time with her, do whatever she wants or can bring a smile to her face, take pictures, record her voice.

Some things I have noticed to helped me:

1) Exercise - going to the gym regularly, even through mental pain, helped me a lot in the long run

2) Eating out - I started eating out more often and having nice, cooked food helped a lot

3) Working - my employer was very understanding and tbh I found it actually helped me to work, as allowed to take mind off things, though you could be different.

4) Hobby/gaming/Lego

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#48
My Mom died of cancer. Reading "being mortal" was helpful for me.

In my case it wasn't particularly unexpected, she had previously been diagnosed and gone through treatments. The bout previous to the one that killed her had been difficult. She got through about 2/3rds of the chemo and told everyone that was it, either she died or she didn't but she didn't want to do any more chemo ever again.

That was very hard to hear but I know for me the way I thought about it was tangled up in the parent/child relationship.

I was blessed that she and I could talk about pretty much anything, and so we talked about her cancer and her choice to die if it came back. It was hard to hear but I think got to the point where I could see her side of it. She lived another 7 years after that. When it came back she was ready to go, and while I don't really think I was ready to let her go I could reflect back on our conversation and the times we'd shared and take some comfort in that.

It is a painful and stressful thing and you will get through it. But as with anything you will be remade into a different person by the process. It's okay to be angry at the world but know it isn't your fault or their fault (I said some horrible things to my Mom early on about how her smoking was to blame etc etc and was lucky to have been able to work through that[1])

Let her know you love her and support her efforts to get past this. So many more cancers these days have let people continue to live their lives longer than they would have. All I could do for my Mom was to be present for her, to listen to her, and to let her know that she had done well and I was glad to be her son. It's what I as a parent hope for my kids as well.

[1] Is smoking a cause? Sure. Is obesity? yup that too. But living your life is also a death sentence (good perspective from the book here on that) re-litigating your past choices when you're facing a situation doesn't change anything except make you angry. Accept the emotional release and moving on is so very hard, and so very important.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#49
Sorry you have to go through this challenge.

I found the book Being Mortal by Atul Gawande to help put some things into perspective. I’m not suggesting things won’t work out but it can also be hard to accept what the evidence is realistically showing you when things are personal so it is good to be prepared; I think it’s a book worth reading by most everyone anyway.

As far as dealing with the every day I would recommend having a daily routine which is emotionally resetting such as meditation, exercise, and some hiking in nature sprinkled in (at least that’s what helped me).

If things don’t go well I would also suggest making sure you have and maintain social connections and seek out a therapist if needed; I did not do that and I would strongly recommend against it. Oh and do take time off even if you think working through it is initially the right move.

For context my experience wasn’t with a family member but none the less someone I was quite close with.

Hang in there.

Re: Ask HN: Coping with cancer in the family

#50

I wish I had some good answers for you. I have been through this with my wife when my children were young. One thing I would do better if / when I go through it again: When people say: "If there is anything you need, just ask", accept immediately and specifically. - please mow my lawn every week, or organize someone else - please do this shopping trip for me - please cook Friday evening meals and bring them around -…

Counterpointing this: the pandemic is still a complicating factor in a lot of this. When people asked me during the peak of the pandemic, I couldn't justify asking for any of those because we were so strongly advised to eliminate all contact and isolate for the patient's compromised immune system. Even with vaccines and treatments now, and a better understanding of how COVID does and doesn't spread, that advice hasn't substantially changed.

Also, if you're someone reading this and considering it encouragement to say "if there is anything you need, just ask", please don't reach for that first.

Doing so puts more work on the caretaker to plan and manage work for you to do — the caretaker then has to take care of you, too, because your offer to help is also your attempt to be, or at least feel, useful in the face of something intangible where you're functionally helpless. Multiply that by 5, 10, 20, 50 depending on the size of the caretaker's social circle and just MANAGING the requests to come up with things to do to help is a full-time form of caretaking that pulls them away from taking care of the person who actually needs it.

If you truly do want to help, identify specific things, plan the work yourself, and offer that plan such that all that's needed is a yes/no answer, and take whatever the answer is guilt-free — and be prepared for it to be no, and to live your life content with that.

If the yard looks unkept, show up to take care of it, or tell them you have a quote for a landscaper and are willing to pay for it. Drop off packaged food, easy meals they can choose when to eat because schedules don't matter any more. Give them your number and tell them to contact you any time, no questions asked, for any reason, especially to just talk about any random bullshit. If the caretaker doesn't take advantage of any of that, don't dare put any pressure, even the gentlest amount, to change their mind.

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