I'll also say don't expect to socialize at work. It should be a given now but you should never ever ask a co worker out. It's too risky for everyone involved. Conduct which is okay at a bar or a party has no place in an office. That said I have made great friends at work. This should be a bonus. If you want to make friends and date do that at a bar , alumni events , concerts, etc. If you step to a girl and ask if you…
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#42Find a job that is (remote) pairing? I have seen hardware shops that are eerily quiet and sparsely populated, so being in an office is not a precursor for social interaction.
Can anyone recommend some remote employers that do pair programming?
Even if pairing isn't something you're doing constantly, I do think that for many teams and jobs, it's useful _sometimes_. But when the norm was for everyone to be in office, it was easy to start and have a solid high-bandwidth session -- just both pull up to the same desk. I find voice + screenshare still misses a bunch of cues, lag is of course disruptive, and the switch between who has control of the screen etc is clunky, so one person tends to drive for a long time.
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#43Consulting A lot of consulting is technical planning and brainstorming with leadership. I used to have that kind of role, and you had a mix of heads-down work prototyping and heads-up work trying to understand requirements and think with different leaders on the best path forward. Related: Staff or Principle Eng Similar role to consulting above, but you're in house and often part of leadership...
Very interesting! I've just moved into a consulting role and am discovering that it is very much like this. If you don't mind me asking, may I ask for some general advice? Would like to know if there are there any people / resources that helped you out in this role? Or even any general guidance you could give someone just starting out? Also - out of interest - what is it you do now?
I have one key piece of advice: ask many questions. Be genuinely curious and friendly, and opportunities will continuously emerge.
I’ve landed high-value clients at coffee shops, hotel bars, music venues, or even through random emails. I was not prospecting. I was curious.
Questions are so useful at every layer of abstraction; whether you’re speaking with a server at a restaurant who’s having trouble with their POS, the general manager who’s wasted $10k on Yelp, or the real estate developer who happens to own a restaurant chain.
As a consultant your value is measured by your observations and imagination. Rich, open-ended questions allow you to absorb a vast repository of context and experience from operators. Use your skillset to imagine how things could be better if you were to apply effort.
I’ve had people quite frequently make declarations such as “you’re brilliant” or “you clearly have a lot of experience in this field” without knowing me or without me ever making a statement - only questions. It feels like a cheat code.
The only downside to this technique is you’ll be flooded with opportunities and your time won’t scale. I’ve dropped the ball on a number of awesome and profitable things because I was trying to pursue too many things at once. I’m trying to improve my consistency so I can hire more effectively, but it’s challenging.
Aside, I’ve been working on a crowdsourcing app to help solve this dilemma, as I’ve noted many others share my struggles.
Best of luck :)
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#44I would recommend looking into decoupling your social needs from your job. Even in the time before wide spread WFH this was an issue, during good times it feels great to go into work and get all your social needs met but when layoffs come or companies collapse suddenly that great work friend everyone loves gets let go and in a few more weeks they effectively don't exist anymore. It's great if you can meet people at w…
What if you answer the question instead of telling other people how to exist?
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#45If you're interested in in person time with the general public along with office people, consider healthcare.
Some of the mid-sized and smaller-sized healthcare companies offer technical people lots of opportunities to interface with the actual people who benefit from their work.
For example, my company does healthcare largely for the poor and underserved. Every person in the company from C-level down to button pushers like myself is required to attend public-facing events a certain amount of time each year.
In my case, while I'm helping these people in other ways, I also get to actually ask them face-to-face "What kind of computer do you have?" and to look at the actual phones they carry with them and to experience the kind of internet service they have in their neighborhoods. This hand-on intelligence is invaluable. Server logs are great in theory, but they are no substitute for actual field work.
Even with the 'rona scattering a lot of us behind-the-scenes people to the four winds, remote workers are still required to put in a certain amount of face time with the clients, whether that means flying back to the mother ship or driving to work regional events.
If general public isn't your thing, get into internal IT support. Walking around a call center watching people doing their jobs helps you think about the systems you build in ways that plowing through trouble tickets doesn't.
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#46Consulting A lot of consulting is technical planning and brainstorming with leadership. I used to have that kind of role, and you had a mix of heads-down work prototyping and heads-up work trying to understand requirements and think with different leaders on the best path forward. Related: Staff or Principle Eng Similar role to consulting above, but you're in house and often part of leadership...
Very interesting! I've just moved into a consulting role and am discovering that it is very much like this. If you don't mind me asking, may I ask for some general advice? Would like to know if there are there any people / resources that helped you out in this role? Or even any general guidance you could give someone just starting out? Also - out of interest - what is it you do now?
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#48I would recommend looking into decoupling your social needs from your job. Even in the time before wide spread WFH this was an issue, during good times it feels great to go into work and get all your social needs met but when layoffs come or companies collapse suddenly that great work friend everyone loves gets let go and in a few more weeks they effectively don't exist anymore. It's great if you can meet people at w…
Tone deaf. There's still ~6 hours a day of just sitting in a room alone. Glad you've found success in life but this might not be for others
Sometimes in life socialization comes easy and requires no work, but that's not always the case. This is a common problem people face once they leave high school/college. The truth is that real social relationships, the ones that keeps us more fulfilled take work.
I realized that to not feel lonely all the time when working at home I had to put some effort into making sure I reached out to friends, scheduled lunches and calls (which can happen during that 6 hour period, that's one of the benefits of WFH), make sure I went to local meetups etc. The end result was that from that effort I made some fantastic friendships that were much more fulfilling.
Even in the OP's current work environment a little more deliberate effort can go a long a way. I'm sure other coworkers feel the same way, if they pair programmed in the office why not reach out and schedule some pairing sessions? I've know many remote places that do this. Schedule virtual coffees during the day where two people can just chat, again something I've seen at many remote places.
Yes, for decades people could get a basic level of socialization for no effort, but like most no effort things that socialization goes as easy as it comes.
Having been in a similar situation to OP, that was the lesson I learned so that's the advice I'm giving, which I hardly think is tone deaf.
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#49I would recommend looking into decoupling your social needs from your job. Even in the time before wide spread WFH this was an issue, during good times it feels great to go into work and get all your social needs met but when layoffs come or companies collapse suddenly that great work friend everyone loves gets let go and in a few more weeks they effectively don't exist anymore. It's great if you can meet people at w…
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#50Coworking spaces. Not the “we work” kind, but the smaller community run ones. Being social can be with people who aren’t colleagues. This way you set your own limits on the environment, rather than joining a new place that might be too much of an over correction six months from now.
I recently moved to a new city and discovered that unlike my old city, this one has lots of small coworking spaces. Some are run by neighborhood boards to foster community. Some are run as startup business incubators.
One down the street I find particularly inspiring — It's co-working for mothers. So WFH moms can have a place to do their work, and the facility provides daycare right there. I think this brilliantly solves at least two of the modern working world's biggest problems.