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Ask HN: Who else sick of “Rich” people teaching moral/life philosophy?

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Re: Ask HN: Who else sick of “Rich” people teaching moral/life philosophy?

#41

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> Rich people telling others how to live their lives has been going on for a loong time Sigh, The Taliban aren't rich but they specialise in telling people how to live their lives. At gunpoint.

They capture the means of production through force, does that not make them rich, relatively?

The Taliban have a functioning economy: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46554097 They have billions in assets: https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/08/17/treasury...

Re: Ask HN: Who else sick of “Rich” people teaching moral/life philosophy?

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Self made rich people lived life a certain way and made their money through a combination of hard work and luck. But you need to do a lot of work to be able to recognize and take advantage of luck when it presents itself, plus the risk taking mentality. There is a very big difference from a rich doctor or lawyer and a wealthy entrepreneur. I don’t believe that all rich people “exploited” those that work for them. Pri…

> "Self made" rich people lived life a certain way and made their money through luck FTFY. Give me the name of a self-made rich person and I'll tell you how they either a) weren't as self-made as their hagiobiography says or b) were luckier than they admit.

Nobody is saying "they did everything themselves" literally. Obviously there is help around, especially so when the enterprise is big. Question is just whether their advice has any value.

Re: Ask HN: Who else sick of “Rich” people teaching moral/life philosophy?

#43
post #10

>> I mean they become rich by putting everything on backseat That's a pretty big assumption

It's true, to a first approximation. Rich people look at money as a goal in itself. They collect it, hoard it, curate it, maintain it. Think of a library, or the biggest MTG card collection you know of. Now imagine that same mindset applied to money. Not money-doing-things, just money, sitting there, "on the books", but otherwise just a collection of amounts.

Now picture the worst episode of "Hoarders", and imagine all that weird obsessiveness and attachment to the thing.

That's rich people.

Re: Ask HN: Who else sick of “Rich” people teaching moral/life philosophy?

#44

I will rather believe in what rich people are saying than people who are teaching philosophy for money

I'd rather listen to someone who actually read and study books, even if he is paid for it.

I mean, if you are unable to explain something as entry-level as Descartes' "cogito", its limits and what that entails, why it engender dualism, i'd rather not listening to you talking about consiousness. You don't have to read Chalmels (you should, but you don't HAVE to)(Btw i'm more of an illusionist myself, i don't suscribe to Chalmels thesis), but not knowing the classics is disqualifying.

Re: Ask HN: Who else sick of “Rich” people teaching moral/life philosophy?

#45
post #14

What does the word "teaching" mean in the context of this post? Writing blog posts? If you want to learn about moral/life philosophy, then there are some great free courses on Coursera https://www.coursera.org/learn/the-science-of-well-being https://www.coursera.org/learn/moralities https://www.coursera.org/learn/moral-politics If someone else wants to read Paul Graham's blog I do not see the issue...

Attention. PG gets attention, which is itself a valuable and scarce (individually) commodity. Why does he get to have his thoughts out there, taking up attention and other resources, and another doesn't?

"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." ― Stephen Jay Gould, The Panda's Thumb: More Reflections in Natural History

Re: Ask HN: Who else sick of “Rich” people teaching moral/life philosophy?

#46
post #8

Self made rich people lived life a certain way and made their money through a combination of hard work and luck. But you need to do a lot of work to be able to recognize and take advantage of luck when it presents itself, plus the risk taking mentality. There is a very big difference from a rich doctor or lawyer and a wealthy entrepreneur. I don’t believe that all rich people “exploited” those that work for them. Pri…

> "Self made" rich people lived life a certain way and made their money through luck FTFY. Give me the name of a self-made rich person and I'll tell you how they either a) weren't as self-made as their hagiobiography says or b) were luckier than they admit.

I’m a self made rich person and I work 70 hours a week. I have worked 70 hour weeks my entire career.

Re: Ask HN: Who else sick of “Rich” people teaching moral/life philosophy?

#48
post #16

I'm only mildly annoyed when 20 something kids with huge amounts of generational wealth feel like they've got deep insights. Look everyone has opinions and knowledge and I'm sure there is value to it. This behavior shouldn't surprise you... positions of power have always felt self importance and a desire to espouse their ideas either as a means to make their egos feel good or simply cast themselves in a positive ligh…

This is every article that's like "How I became a millionaire by 25" or "How a new graduate paid off $100,000 in student loans in two years."

The last one I read was literally (not exaggerating) "Grandma gave me a condo as a graduation gift (!) and instead of living in it like a chump I turned it into an income stream by renting it out while mom and dad covered all my living expenses. Aren't I smart?" (Ok, the last sentence was an exaggeration)

Implied but unstated is "you can do it too, just make better decisions."

Re: Ask HN: Who else sick of “Rich” people teaching moral/life philosophy?

#50
I understand what you feel, but I don't share that feeling. These people are free citizens, they can write what they want. The crucial question is: why should I read it? In general, I read things that will increase my knowledge in the areas I'm interested in. If I'm interested in moral things, I don't have to believe in whatever someone wrote, but I can try and test any system in practice myself.

In this way, for example, I learned that 99% of the time it makes little sense to get confrontational but it's better (for both sides) to try to resolve things peacefully. I tried both approaches repeatedly and that's why I know this. But if I wrote it down, why would anyone believe me? How would it change things if I made a lot of money or not? It makes no sense.

Everybody needs to put these things to test and see for themselves how they feel when they do good things, when they do bad things, what works in the long run and so on. Reading others reflections might be inspiring at times but rarely corresponds to specific real-life situations we need to deal with.

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