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Re: Ask HN: How can an older worker going back to CS after a break find a position?

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I have interviewed and hired older workers and have worked with older workers in all of my previous companies. Age discriminatin is a real thing, and yet someone hired those older workers, so it's not an insurmountable thing. You often hear things like "well, you need to keep constantly learning new things", which is true, but older workers don't need to pretend to be younger workers as they have their own advantages…

>> Read the requirements of the job posting and spend some time trying to understand this problem space and company

You can do this for some positions, but pair this with rapidly applying as fast as you can. There were 160 applications to a SWE role at my company a month ago. Modern systems make it easy to apply and if you are looking break back into the business I think “quantity has a quality all of its own”

Re: Ask HN: How can an older worker going back to CS after a break find a position?

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In this case her Army experience is going to be the thing to focus on. She could look for small government contractors who need tech work (because they’re government, the tech lags cutting edge which is good for her) and subject matter expert work. If she can do both it’s a big win.

Seconding this. A security clearance in particular would be very useful.

Re: Ask HN: How can an older worker going back to CS after a break find a position?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My friend's father works with COBOL. Apparently it's quite lucrative. It isn't used much, but it's also hard to hire people for those jobs so they tend to be well paid.

Yeah, I read about some roles paying upwards of $200k, but I think they were in California (OP is asking about NY, which I don't know much about)

I am sure there are COBOL jobs in NY; plenty of old firms (banks and the like) have headquarters there. A quick Google search seems to confirm this.

Re: Ask HN: How can an older worker going back to CS after a break find a position?

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As an Army vet, she may qualify for Microsoft’s Software and Systems academy, a free boot camp for transition veterans. No idea if they’d take someone who has been separated for so long, but no harm in asking

https://military.microsoft.com/programs/microsoft-software-s...

Re: Ask HN: How can an older worker going back to CS after a break find a position?

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Does she want to use her COBOL experience? There's a lot of COBOL consulting work with government and banking clients, and it's common for those consultants to be older. Her military experience will help here. I've know some COBOL consultants who found it to be quite flexible, too.

Unless she's particularly interested in learning new frameworks, I wouldn't suggest trying to do internships as she'd be starting from zero, competing against young coders.

Re: Ask HN: How can an older worker going back to CS after a break find a position?

#46
I left programming for about six years to do grad school in Classics. I came back because programming was way more fun. The writing was on the wall when I started writing scripts to scan dactylic hexameter and convert L'Année philologique entries to bibtex. :-)

I spent six months doing a (failed) startup with a student from the biz school, and then I started taking freelance gigs. I got a few job offers, but I was enjoying self-employment so much, I wound up just sticking with freelancing. Today I'm making more than I would as a non-FAANG employee. I'm 44 and haven't felt any age discrimination.

Ironically, getting contract work is way easier than getting an FTE offer. You have a 30-minute call with one programmer and another with the owner/manager, and you're hired. No leetcode, day-long on-site visits away from home, or unpaid trial projects.

While your rates are still low, you can also find a lot of work by reaching out to web design firms and presenting yourself as an expert in X. For example if they mostly have PHP employees but you do Rails or D3, they will be happy to bring you on. Even with expensive rates, I still get subcontracting work when people need a Postgres expert.

In my case I was still very comfortable building web applications, but the six months at my own startup let me learn Rails & Heroku and gain confidence that I could still get things done. If she can also spend half a year learning and building something that proves her skills, I think she will de-risk herself for lots of employers.

Or she may be able to find a lot of Cobol opportunities immediately. I know someone who was at a bank doing sales, and they gave him paid on-the-job training to switch to Cobol work. (I'm happy to talk with her and make a connection if she is interested.) Now he's applying at IBM. So it seems like there is plenty of work out there still.

Re: Ask HN: How can an older worker going back to CS after a break find a position?

#47
Best thing to do is survey the job boards to determine what's in demand and come up with a short list of platforms/frameworks to learn. It's the platforms/frameworks programmers really use, not the language, as you imply from your post.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How can an older worker going back to CS after a break find a position?

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Not to ask the obvious but she took 20 years off to raise her kids and now wants to be home for her kids? How much longer will her kids be at home? That being said, coding is coding. Just needs to do a sample project.

Kids typically leave home at 18 or 19 years old, and there tends to be a 2-5 year gap between children. Someone who left the workforce 20 years ago could have a 19 year old in their first year of college, a 16-year old in high school, and a 12-year old in middle school. Teenagers need parental attention just as much as younger children—more, in some ways, because while they don't need constant attention like young ch…

Well said. If you don't spend the time looking after your kids when they're younger you'll end up spending a lot more time sorting out problems when they're older.

Re: Ask HN: How can an older worker going back to CS after a break find a position?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...there needs to be at least some value proposition. This is spot on. I'd recommend signing up and completing a relatively well-known coding bootcamp. Edit to add, in 20 years a lot has changed outside of just specific CS skills: Cloud collaborative suites, conferencing systems, Slack/MSFT Teams, JIRA, git, just to name a few. 20 years ago, I was at my first role out of college--we used Outlook, MSFT VC++ 6.0, VSS…

MSFT Teams -- my condolences.

I see this sentiment online, but using MS Teams at work, I have a great experience. 2-n way chat threads and video calls, team bulletin boards, and integrated apps like sharepoint, excel, custom internal software, etc.

I use slack, zoom, and discord for a mix of school and personal use, and appreciate what each of these offer, but wouldn’t wish to switch off of Teams for work. I do wish you could message yourself on Teams like slack. That’s a nice quick reference utility.

Why do you offer condolences for MS Teams though?

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