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There’s no such thing as Green Card in Europe, and each country has their own immigration rules.
There is the Blue Card though, which is EU-wide.
you need a university degree for that
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#421. Find a job with an employer who will sponsor your visa. 2. Buy a plane ticket.
1b) apply for Visa at the embassy
Unless you're from a country with an extensive visa-free agreement for Schengen. In those cases you enter the country as a tourist, and then apply for a work permit (not visa) at a local government office. It is generally not possible to get a visa from the embassy if you're from a country where this is possible.
Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer
#43We're a fintech company based in Germany and we've helped a few employees move to Germany from outside EU. If their annual salary is greater than €44k the process is fairly easy. If I recall, we've applied first for their Germany work permit (takes 1-3 weeks in our experience) and then soon after arriving they apply for a Blue Card which allows them to work/travel across the EU.
You should get in touch with some of the local recruiters, we've found some great candidates that way.
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1b) apply for Visa at the embassy
Unless you're from a country with an extensive visa-free agreement for Schengen. In those cases you enter the country as a tourist, and then apply for a work permit (not visa) at a local government office. It is generally not possible to get a visa from the embassy if you're from a country where this is possible.
I don't think you can legally work without the work permit though.
Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer
#45Croatia just started a program where you can stay for a year (instead of the usual 90 days) as a digital nomad. > A DIGITAL NOMAD IS a third-country national who is employed or performs work through communication technology for a company or his own company that is not registered in the Republic of Croatia and does not perform work or provide services to employers in the Republic of Croatia. https://www.croatia.hr/en-…
Is there not similar thing in estonia
Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer
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I would assume it's the same amount of effort as before, if you're coming from outside the EU. I can attest to the UK having well-paid developer jobs though, especially in London. I'm not in London but I have friends who are and they're doing well.
Yes, developers jobs are well paid in London, depending on the company, there are several places that take advantage of their developers and pay poorly. My advice to most London devs is move company often until you find a salary you're happy with, companies need you more than you need the company.
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#48Germany is a very easy to entry point for you as a software developer. The market is huge and there is shortage of good candidates. Polish up your linkedin profile and start applying for positions in germany. Good luck!
It's just that the pay is abysmal and locals hate immigrants :)
I'm in Germany working with an international team of software developers.
About 22,5% of Germans are first to third generation immigrants. Not even the people who don't want more immigrants generally hate immigrants - certainly not you individually. Since there's comparatively little "segregation", with immigrants and non-immigrants having attended the same schools and living in physical proximity, you will be hard-pressed to find people frothing at the mouth at the sight of someone who looks like an immigrant.
One thing that is true however is that Germans will expect you to act German when you're in Germany and you'll be treated like anyone else for better or for worse. There's no "immigrant card" you can play. Complaining about other's behavior - often to their face - is a very German past-time. At least if you fuck up you'll know, because Germans will tell you about it at length. God help you if you screw up the same thing a second time.
Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer
#49Do you count the UK or just EU countries? London still has top class developer jobs going, but I assume it's much harder to get in nowadays.
I would assume it's the same amount of effort as before, if you're coming from outside the EU. I can attest to the UK having well-paid developer jobs though, especially in London. I'm not in London but I have friends who are and they're doing well.
Everyone always talks about London, but misses out some of the other cities/large towns.
Manchester maybe a better option than London. Manchester is cheaper and has almost all the things you want from London without a lot of the negatives. Pay isn't nearly as good but the costs of living in Manchester are about 1/2 to 1/3rd of what London is.
If you want better weather the south-coast has Bournemouth (lots of smaller to mid-sized companies that do web development and insurance).
Re: Ask HN: How to relocate to Europe as a software developer
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Unless you're from a country with an extensive visa-free agreement for Schengen. In those cases you enter the country as a tourist, and then apply for a work permit (not visa) at a local government office. It is generally not possible to get a visa from the embassy if you're from a country where this is possible.
I don't think you can legally work without the work permit though.
Correct, you need to have enough money to get by while the work permit is processed. If you get a job via remote interviews, and book the work permit appointment in advance of coming, you can turn it around pretty fast though - I had my work permit appointment the week I arrived, and then went straight to work.