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Re: Ask HN: What does a non-programmer bring to a 2-3 person startup team?

#41
non-programmer founder here,

Things I brought to our startup:

- convertible note on great terms

- crappy-but-functioning prototype

- fully-designed HTML wireframes for prototype v2

- meaty customer pipeline including 2 customers pre-sold

- extensive network of sales contacts in our space

- extensive network of press contacts in our space

- 2 years experience running a site where I used and helped sell the early version of our product

I feel I bring a lot of value to our company. And I am very intent on proving that I will continue to do so. I try to justify my involvement every day. So when I talk to technical friends of mine thinking about working with someone non-technical, I tell them about the stuff I do and that they need to ask these "biz-dev" guys if they can bring stuff like that to the table.

When someone's awesome, their value-add should be clear and obvious. If you find yourself talking yourself into someone, that's a bad sign.

Re: Ask HN: What does a non-programmer bring to a 2-3 person startup team?

#42

non-programmer founder here, Things I brought to our startup: - convertible note on great terms - crappy-but-functioning prototype - fully-designed HTML wireframes for prototype v2 - meaty customer pipeline including 2 customers pre-sold - extensive network of sales contacts in our space - extensive network of press contacts in our space - 2 years experience running a site where I used and helped sell the early versi…

Excellent answer. Companies need capital and product and customers. Figure out which ones the rest of your team aren't bringing and bring it.

Re: Ask HN: What does a non-programmer bring to a 2-3 person startup team?

#43
I was with a startup and was the only technical member of the founding team. While the two other members personally bootstrapped the venture, I have to admit that outside of the funding, they were of very limited value during the first 6-9 months when development was the primary activity. In anything, they were a distraction because they constantly changed things, expanded scope, etc. Needless to say, it wasn't a successful venture, and from here on out, I plan to stick with only technical founders.

Re: Ask HN: What does a non-programmer bring to a 2-3 person startup team?

#44
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Because people that (just) write code aren't going to make money. A product is nothing, NOTHING, without sales. Mostly those sales are driven by people specifically tasked with that. How they make sales happen will be a combination of industry contacts and knowledge of how to build the appropriate sales channels.

I'd be interested to know why I got DV'd for this, given that the top answer almost perfectly echoes this sentiment.

Re: Ask HN: What does a non-programmer bring to a 2-3 person startup team?

#46
I was hired on to a three person team of a startup. When I was hired the make-up of the company was like this:

- Founder, the idea guy. He was technically competent but by no means a programmer. He mainly handled all the sales an customer interactions.

- 2 very excellent programmers.

I was the fourth person to join the team. I had never been a programmer but had attended school with a CET major. So I had done some minimal programming. This was my first attempt at getting a full time, real world, kind of job.

I was not hired on as a programmer, though in the interview I told them I was just trying to get my foot in the door and ultimately wanted to be a programmer. I was hired to handle customer support for their 30 plus customers around the world.

First and foremost what I brought to the team was passion for the work. Aside from that, provided dedication and a technical skill set. It was a very technical product, so they needed someone who could understand it and who could also explain it in sometimes simpler terms to the customers.

Over the years I worked very hard and received good reviews from customers. I made some mistakes and learned from them. As time progressed I took on more technical responsibilities while maintaining my role as the 'go to guy' for support. By the time the company was sold and changed hands I became a full fledged developer and relinquished my support responsibilities to the support department of the company that acquired us. Now I am an equal partner with the two developers from that venture in our own startup.

We recently had a conversation about what each of us was bringing to the table. My two partners made it very clear, the reason they asked me to be involved was not because of my uber programming skills. These two guys are seasoned while I am still a beginner. They wanted my passion.

Re: Ask HN: What does a non-programmer bring to a 2-3 person startup team?

#47

I am in my early twenties and am seriously considering a career in entrepreneurship. I have a partner and we are in the midst of entering our business idea into numerous entrepreneurship contests. The only problem is that neither of us know any code. One of our business coaches, a successful entrepreneur himself, suggested that the programming can be done with little problems -that there is still much utility in two…

As someone who was in your position about 2 years ago, I have the following advice for you.

First, you should look at some tutorials before you find this individual so you understand the very basics of whatever language you are looking to grok. If you are looking for PHP, www.w3schools.com is a decent place to start for the super basics.

Once you have a very basic understanding of the language, the best thing to do is find a developer who will work for equity, or a minimal salary, and make it your job to watch him/her as he/she builds your product. It is definitely going to tie up most of your time when you could be doing "other things," but it will serve two major purposes. For one thing, you will have at least a rudimentary understanding of the technologies which will compose your product, thus assisting you in future hires. Secondly, assuming the individual you bring on initially is patient enough, you will have a private tutor who can step you through the creation of a real product, as opposed to contrived academic problems which you will lose interest in very quickly. Granted, this is really just "minimum viable programming" insofar as you will probably not have the occassion to really generate a deep understanding of the concepts behind software development, but at least you can contribute more directly to the actual product.

Ultimately, this approach is dependent on the individual you bring on to build the initial product. If he/she is patient and willing enough to be your teacher, then it can work out nicely.

Best of luck!

Re: Ask HN: What does a non-programmer bring to a 2-3 person startup team?

#48
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First, Don't go to "startup events", meet with customers, other in your industry, find advisors (either technical advisors, or non-technical advisors who have a proven track record of raising funds, doing "business operations" et al). Attend technical conferences to find programming partners and (most importantly) potential customers and advisors. Don't waste your time around "biz dev" types (especially the ones with…

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I read it as "don't spend your time around self styled biz dev types (with no start-up experience)". In other words, MBAs (with no start-up experience).

Re: Ask HN: What does a non-programmer bring to a 2-3 person startup team?

#49
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Even one of the YC W11 companies is founded by 3 people, all "biz dev" types. Oh, really? So none of these guys program? If half or one-third of your team is biz-dev right from the get go, and is not contributing to making your product kick-ass, you're doing it wrong.

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If they taught themselves to program, does that not then make them programmers?

Re: Ask HN: What does a non-programmer bring to a 2-3 person startup team?

#50
post #44
post #22

Because people that (just) write code aren't going to make money. A product is nothing, NOTHING, without sales. Mostly those sales are driven by people specifically tasked with that. How they make sales happen will be a combination of industry contacts and knowledge of how to build the appropriate sales channels.

I'd be interested to know why I got DV'd for this, given that the top answer almost perfectly echoes this sentiment.

think about the HN demographic, and it's not a surprise that a knee-jerk reaction to your post would be a swift downvote
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