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Ask HN: Should one buy Intel-based Macs now?

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Re: Ask HN: Should one buy Intel-based Macs now?

#41
No hesitation: yes. Intel Macs will be supported for a long time to come, easily for the next 6 years you cite. And you won't have to deal with 1st gen ARM bugs. And you can use it now, not 1 or more years from now.

iMac is not upgradeable however. don't kid yourself.

> macOS will certainly not be supported for 6+ years (assuming a similar timeline as during the last transition).

Don't understand this at all. macOS will be supported forever. Did you miss a word?

Re: Ask HN: Should one buy Intel-based Macs now?

#43

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Don't build a hackintosh if you're depending on it for a living though. I'm saying this while typing on a hackintosh. I've really enjoyed building it and playing around with it. I love the power it has. However, there are lots of small quirks that get annoying to deal with over time. Having to read over multiple threads before updating, having to reset iCloud passwords after triggering Apple's security checks, etc is…

how feasible/worth it would it be to build a hackintosh out of a regular PC? I just built a PC and am trying to keep it as a kind of shell (nothing on it that I can't easily replace, like steam games, etc), so I've considered tinkering with it to make a hackintosh, if it's possible

Hackintosh is a normal pc. Check the aforementioned tonymac website. Compatibility is quite finicky

Re: Ask HN: Should one buy Intel-based Macs now?

#44

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It's probably a good idea to skip the first generation in general, but this is a bit different than those others. The first iPhone had a fixed function graphics pipeline and 2G cellular service. Unsuitable for the native application market that they set up afterward and changing cellular capabilities and customer expectations. The first iPad was similarly very constrained, though slightly better. For all practical pu…

I wouldn't be surprised if the first generation ships with firmware issues. The x86 emulator is also likely to be a source of friction. In the past when Apple has switched architectures the new one is so much faster that even emulated code see some benefit. That's not the case here, old x86 apps stand a good chance of performing poorly and having issues. I wouldn't blame anyone for holding off for a generation or two…

> The x86 emulator is also likely to be a source of friction. In the past when Apple has switched architectures the new one is so much faster that even emulated code see some benefit. That's not the case here, old x86 apps stand a good chance of performing poorly and having issues.

This doesn’t match Apple’s claims and demos of performance of emulated x86 applications. I’d suggest you watch the WWDC 2020 keynote video for more on this and take a look at the compute and graphics intensive x86 applications they demonstrated running (emulated on Rosetta 2) on ARM hardware of undisclosed specs.

Re: Ask HN: Should one buy Intel-based Macs now?

#45
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My company assigned me a 16" MBP with gobs of memory and all that. I am sitting here right now with an extremely light set of applications running, CPU is 98% idle, I've got a 4K 27" monitor and the MacBook is in clamshell mode. Plugged in and fully charged. Ambient temperature is 25C and CPU temp is 60C. Both fans are running loud enough to notice: 2600RPM, about 27%, and that's about average when it's not asleep. I…

Had a 16” and sold it for the same reason. Maybe an arm MacBook would be good but also having a 64core threadripper and decent graphics and just remoting in seems better at the minute. You can also upgrade and fix things if they break.

Re: Ask HN: Should one buy Intel-based Macs now?

#46
I have a i9 mbp bought a few months ago.. don't. Get the i5 or i7. The i9 is expensive, gets impressively hot quickly under load, and makes the keyboard too hot to use and makes a fair bit of noise.

Whatever the fraction of performance the i5/i7 is, anything that's cooler and quieter is worth it and you don't likely notice the performance difference anyways.

Numerous things cause the fan to run flat out, for example crashplan.

Re: Ask HN: Should one buy Intel-based Macs now?

#48
Thank you for all your replies.

One point I may have missed point out more clearly: The 6+ years I plan to use this thing is also due to environmental considerations.

First, I am a big advocate of the right to repair. I think it is consumer-friendly and more sustainable. One of my Apple Silicon concerns is, that the new Macs won't be as repair-friendly as the current generation. MacBook are already not repairable at all, I guess this trend will continue to the Desktop lineup (except the Mac Pro maybe).

Second, almost all my devices eventually have a second live, sometimes even a third live. My first MacBook (first white Intel MacBook) was used by my wife for 3 years after I used it 5 years. Then the plastic body started to fall apart, so I sold it on eBay for a decent price. My first Mac Mini (2,1) was used for about 6 years. Then, I upgraded the 32-bit Core Duo CPU to a 64-bit Core2Duo, got 4 GB RAM and a SSD. I patched EFI to support 64-bit OS and the Mac Mini runs as a little home-server (Pi-Hole, Time Machine, Nextcloud). And finally, my 2011 15" MacBook Pro still runs Catalina (thanks to DosDude's Catalina Patcher tool). This is were currently my music production and recording happens (yes, really!). This machine has still more juice than the new 13" MBP.

So, the point is, however, I want run macOS as long as possible on this machine and then give it a second live (what ever it will be then). And I'm afraid this will be a problem because either a) (if I buy Intel) macOS will drop support for Intel in 5-ish years or b) (if I wait for Apple Silicon) the iMac won't be upgradable and everything glued and soldered to the max, which also makes repairs impossible.

Do you have any thoughts on this matter?

And what I can read from your comments is a) Don't hesitate if you need/can afford/can live with macOS and b) it's probably time to leave the Apple ecosystem. Anyways, you gave good points to think about, thanks a lot!

Re: Ask HN: Should one buy Intel-based Macs now?

#49

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I wouldn't be surprised if the first generation ships with firmware issues. The x86 emulator is also likely to be a source of friction. In the past when Apple has switched architectures the new one is so much faster that even emulated code see some benefit. That's not the case here, old x86 apps stand a good chance of performing poorly and having issues. I wouldn't blame anyone for holding off for a generation or two…

> The x86 emulator is also likely to be a source of friction. In the past when Apple has switched architectures the new one is so much faster that even emulated code see some benefit. That's not the case here, old x86 apps stand a good chance of performing poorly and having issues. This doesn’t match Apple’s claims and demos of performance of emulated x86 applications. I’d suggest you watch the WWDC 2020 keynote vide…

I'm taking those demos with a grain of salt personally. Historical precedent suggests this is very difficult to get right.
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