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Re: Ask HN: you want HOW much for the design?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever since I read a comment by patio11 a few months ago, I've converted completely to buying ready-made themes for WordPress whenever I want to put up a "sales" site. Getting 3 themes at WooThemes will run you about $70. Those three themes each come in several color variations too. That means the next 3 times you decide to throw up a website, it should take almost no work (design-wise). WooThemes is really easy to us…

WordPress themes are not just for sales sites. The "Admin Templates" on Theme Forest [1] offer some great options for B2B applications. [1] http://themeforest.net/category/site-templates/admin-templat...

thanks for this. I think I just saved myself several thousand dollars. Some of those themes are as good as anything on dribbble or sortfolio.

Looks like off-the-shelf + customisation is the way to go. Thanks everyone!

Re: Ask HN: you want HOW much for the design?

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I've worked with a lot of designers and have found a dramatic disconnect between the value they provide and the cost of their services. It is staggering. Be sure to check around for services like 99designs.com (I'm sure there are others - try a search on HN too). Also remember that there are tons of graphic designers, at least here in Houston. The same guy being billed out at $140 an hour might also work at the Kinko…

I really like the pay as you go idea. I guess that is agile design outsourcing? I used to attend the graduation portfolio shows at the Art Institute (of Houston, it's a chain), looking for designers that I might work with for web sites. It was depressing for the following reason: On one floor were the graphics arts people, with a stunning visual sense, expressed in physical things like little products, books, magazines, posters, typography, etc., etc. On the other floor were the multimedia designers, whose program required them to do something in every type of techie design there is: Flash, InDesign, videos, web sites, etc., etc. I didn't see the well developed visual sense in the multimedia work, and I'd ask the graphics arts people if they did web sites: "Oh yeah, I did one once." When will these schools wake up and pair the visual sense with the techie in one student? Maybe they should have students work as a team, one techie and one visual. If they could develop these skills sets in one student, we'd see designs like those in CSS Zen Garden.

By the way, what designers have you worked with in Houston? (contact info in my profile)

Re: Ask HN: you want HOW much for the design?

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I found a great designer on Dribbble and hired him to produce the front page for my app, just the mockup in AI for about $500. I then sliced/coded this up and used all the custom design elements to make more pages. There's a post on my blog if your interested.

Can you post a link to your blog post?

Re: Ask HN: you want HOW much for the design?

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Paying $10,000 for design work at early stage is lunacy. I solved the problem by:

1) Reading the first 100 pages of the Non-Designers Design Book (http://www.amazon.com/Non-Designers-Design-Book-Typographic-...).

2) Using CSS grid systems (e.g. Blueprint) and CSS abstractions (such as Compass) to ease the design process and minimize cross browser tomfoolery.

3) Visiting http://www.smashingmagazine.com/ and browsing lists such as "best minimal designs" and then slicing and dicing parts from my favorite pages together.

End results: www.bolivianexpress.org, www.oxbridgenotes.co.uk

Your end result might not win any awards, but hey you'll have $10,000 more in the bank.

Re: Ask HN: you want HOW much for the design?

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20-40 hours per page is ridiculously high. They must be incredibly slow and it makes my doubt their design skill. To design a web app is incredibly easy because there is no marketing element to it--it is all about functionality. If you are bring on a designer to do work on a webapp his job should be to make it pretty, but also to make it usable. If all you are getting is better color selection then you are wasting yo…

That includes an estimate of the time spent negotiating with the client. I worked as an architectural draftsman for a while, my employer spent at least twice as much time (usually more) negotiating with clients and getting their approvals than I spent producing the drawings. And most businesses are worse, because more people and approvals are involved.

Re: Ask HN: you want HOW much for the design?

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I've actually been running into a similar issue. I've been trying to find a solid user interface designer to help us design our analytics app for the past couple of months.

While our budget is probably more flexible then yours is, my favorite choices whom I have approached all express interest in our project but are usually unavailable for several months due to existing obligations.

Additionally, each one has told me that 3 or 4 screens is going to produce a month or so turn around time to go from wire frames to PSD, let alone coding of the interface.

The other issue is the level of interaction that we are looking to put into maybe 3 or 4 screens total. It makes things difficult to simply describe to a straight up graphic designer.

If anyone has a referral for an available UI person that has a fetish for analytics dashboards feel free to point me in their direction.

Re: Ask HN: you want HOW much for the design?

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As someone who is a designer/developer who also runs several successful e-commerce websites here are my 2 cents:

Stay away from sites like 99designs and other low budget crowdsourcing sites as they only attract low quality designers who tend not to know much about UX, conversions, usability, perception, etc.

If this project is serious enough for you to quit your job then you really need to make sure your design is going to be flexible enough to accommodate all of the changes you may need to make in order to increase conversions as you begin to acquire customers and analyze data.

Here is my suggestion: the designer should create a design that fits within a CSS grid framework like 960.gs, Blueprint or the Less Framework. The designer can also create their own grid and you can generate the CSS using several online CSS grid builders like the 1kb grid.

Then figure out how many UNIQUE page templates you will actually need (things like a home page, a pricing page, a general inner page that can also double as a blog page - if designed correctly, and a signup page - it's very important to have a flexible signup page that you can easily make changes to).

Most likely you will be re-using elements like headings, paragraphs, sidebars, menus, buttons and lists throughout your site. You can use the CSS grid to build multiple layouts for different page templates or sub-page templates and then reuse the elements and their styles for the content of those pages.

If you need help get in touch. We do a lot of design and dev work for startups and this sort of thing (flexible interface design at a reasonable price) is something we do all the time. Heck, we may even build the templates using HTML and CSS right in the browser and skip the PSD files altogether!

My website is on my profile page. Our pricing is very reasonable and we're located in the U.S. - Detroit, Michigan to be exact.

Re: Ask HN: you want HOW much for the design?

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post #47

I've actually been running into a similar issue. I've been trying to find a solid user interface designer to help us design our analytics app for the past couple of months. While our budget is probably more flexible then yours is, my favorite choices whom I have approached all express interest in our project but are usually unavailable for several months due to existing obligations. Additionally, each one has told me…

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