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Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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Some things that have been extremely useful for me: Play video games that require intense focus for prolonged durations to perform well like Starcraft 2, CSGO, DOTA 2 helped me build mental endurance. Reduce social media. I’ve found that this was the most productive. Social media was fragmenting my attention by making me anxious and addicted. After I reduced Reddit and Facebook usage, my mental discipline increased d…

I wouldn't recommend playing games in an attempt to build mental endurance. I used to play a lot of Starcraft 2 and Dota 2, and it mostly just sapped my motivation for other things.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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I had a similar problem where the the bigger / the more complex the task in front of me was, the more my brain resisted to getting started and the more i procrasitnated.

I came up with a fundamentally "agile" solution: break the problems down into smaller tasks until the first task is too small to offer resistance.

E.g. rather than "write architecture specification", start with "outline the heads for architecture spec" and then maybe "draw rough sketch of architecture on paper" and then maybe "write introduction".

Almost everything in my to do list these days can be executed in under 10 minutes. As a bonus, it gives you the dopamine hit / satisfaction of watching a stead stream of items moving from 'todo' to 'done' state on a daily basis.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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There is the potential that you have ADHD, because what you're describing sounds similar to my situation. I eventually ended up on stimulant medication to help, but there's non-stimulant medication available (if you're opposed to eating amphetamines for breakfast), as well as counselling and other treatment options that don't involve medication. Even if you don't want to seek professional treatment, you could look up…

Someone doesn’t have to have ADHD to shirk from hard problems. Expecting technical/intellectual problems to be easy to solve is something that is drilled into most people by the school system, which rarely if ever present problems that take more than a few minutes to solve, and pretty much never expect students to try tackling problems that require weeks of effort. The result is that when many people encounter a hard…

> There is probably an influence from inherent personality differences, but I would speculate that building up stamina for tackling hard problems comes down substantially to practice.

I was diagnosed with ADHD my senior year of college. Before that, the mindset you're advocating got close to breaking me.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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post #23

Some things that have been extremely useful for me: Play video games that require intense focus for prolonged durations to perform well like Starcraft 2, CSGO, DOTA 2 helped me build mental endurance. Reduce social media. I’ve found that this was the most productive. Social media was fragmenting my attention by making me anxious and addicted. After I reduced Reddit and Facebook usage, my mental discipline increased d…

I wouldn't recommend playing games in an attempt to build mental endurance. I used to play a lot of Starcraft 2 and Dota 2, and it mostly just sapped my motivation for other things.

Really?

I don’t really care much about winning or losing. I play them because they’re fun and because I can try novel approaches to solve novel problems.

The reward for me has never been about winning. It’s about being able to trying new things and see how it works in the game.

If I win great, if I don’t I’ll try again or play something else. If the reward is winning for you and you’re average than you’re statistically likely to be sad ~50% of the time. That probably will sap your motivation.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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Other replies have hinted at why this may be the case: ADHD, told you were going to excel/smart causing non-effort/try, failure adverse.

For me it was all of those and probably more that I'm not even aware of yet.

What did I do to over come?

First, I haven't fully. I struggle every day, and know that it is okay. Even after I decided to tackle the problem 10 years ago, I work at it.

For myself, I knew a key symptom that I had is I don't like to finish anything... like anything... no matter how small. A lot of it was rooted in my fear of failing. That's probably linked to the idea that I was supposed to be smart. I'm an engineer, good at math, all the classic things that cause parents to say - oh child shouldn't fail.

This showed up in my every day life. I realized I would never even finish my rice... there's always like 20% left. I was always starting a project and then simply moving on to the next. Never taking it to a specific end-goal.

So to tackle my problem of not finishing something, I started with the smallest thing - my bowl of rice. I started requiring myself to finish it. That last 20% was a struggle. I'd sit there and struggle. It wasn't the amount either; I would get less food, which did help, but I still had a lot of trouble. I'd get up and leave then force myself to go back.

I didn't allow any other requirement to enter. No other projects, no other personal goals. I had to finish my bowl. It was, one meal then one day, backslide, two days in a row, and it took me about 3-4 months for it to become a habit. I let it be the goal for another month or so before I finally told myself I accomplished this goal.

For once in my life, I finished something. I set a goal and completed it. F'ing bowl of rice. But it was mine.

From there I scaled it to a very small Rails project I could complete in 1 weekend, an online language dictionary for myself. It was stupid easy so I knew I could do it. My goal was to deploy it on Heroku and use it myself for some small language learning. Took me 3-4 weekends to fully deploy & self-use. But I did it, my first side project completed. A clear goal, achievable and finished.

It took me 6-12 months to even begin to feel I started tackling my problem. From there I slowly scaled and I've personally learned I can only do 1-2 things at a time to completion.

Best of luck to you. I only hope the best for you.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

#49
In this era, we are overwhelmed with stimuli.

The worst form of stimuli are endless feeds of unstructured, unrelated content. And the most successful sites on the Internet have them. They're really entertaining, but then, when you want to grab a book and read it, you will have problems staying focused and finishing a full chapter. At least with RSS you had the chance to mark items as read and move on.

What you describe could be ADHD. But sometimes it's just being sleep deprived, eating unhealthy, and being exposed to too much stuff. Sometimes it's anxiety.

So what can you do? just unplug. Go for a hike, run or camping. Sleep well. No music, no Internet browsing in your phone. Just pay attention to your surroundings, breathe, let any anxiety go away. Then, go back to your stuff, but always practicing attention hygiene: don't expose yourself to too much stimuli.

Then, track your tasks, and make sure you finish them. Don't cheat by making new lists, or dropping tasks for no reason. Just make sure you stay on track with your plans.

If it's too much, start small: simple tasks, simple outcomes. Once you get better at it, commit to more complex tasks.

Some GABA supplement before sleeping can be good too. But you should ask your doctor about that first.

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