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Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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Re: Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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The biggest startups are all either parts of https://www.thefamily.co/ or https://www.efounders.com/ They are quite impressive in the way they operate

I didn't understand their #1 point "Europe is Toxic"? Does the absence of startups make a place 'toxic'?

Well, you can click on it and be redirected to a full article that explains their position: https://www.thefamily.co/toxicity

Re: Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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> only one country which doesn't want to adopt English What? You've never been to Europe have you? Try travelling here and speaking English in any country other than the obvious champions like Norway / Sweden / Danemark and you'll come to the crazy realization that people like speaking their own language.

I've never had that experience traveling. Just knowing a few basic greetings and pleasantries is enough, smile a little bit and most people are forgiving

Exactly! Weird how people aren't asshats when you show them you're trying.

Re: Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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Ok, so a lot of people here are comparing the french Startup scene to what it was before. I understand why, but it's misleading. Yes, compared to what it was before, it's booming. But it was ridiculously bad before. However compared to what's happening in the US, it's still lagging. Innovation is alright, however investment and risk taking are nowhere close to the American standard. It's still very meh. The culture o…

>Plus you can buy actual tomatoes and not red plastic balls.

That's an important perk.

Re: Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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Ok, so a lot of people here are comparing the french Startup scene to what it was before. I understand why, but it's misleading. Yes, compared to what it was before, it's booming. But it was ridiculously bad before. However compared to what's happening in the US, it's still lagging. Innovation is alright, however investment and risk taking are nowhere close to the American standard. It's still very meh. The culture o…

> even including social benefits, the salary is 2 to 3 times less Yea... no. Especially if you factor in the cost of life. Edit: Average salary in SF for tech workers is $142k vs $56k in Paris [1]. Once adjusted for cost of living, Paris is roughly 86k$ [1]. Now, you add all the social benefits, like free health care, retirements etc. And if you have/plan on having children, you can add free education as well. All in…

French working for an American company. Yes.

Re: Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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Ok, so a lot of people here are comparing the french Startup scene to what it was before. I understand why, but it's misleading. Yes, compared to what it was before, it's booming. But it was ridiculously bad before. However compared to what's happening in the US, it's still lagging. Innovation is alright, however investment and risk taking are nowhere close to the American standard. It's still very meh. The culture o…

> even including social benefits, the salary is 2 to 3 times less Yea... no. Especially if you factor in the cost of life. Edit: Average salary in SF for tech workers is $142k vs $56k in Paris [1]. Once adjusted for cost of living, Paris is roughly 86k$ [1]. Now, you add all the social benefits, like free health care, retirements etc. And if you have/plan on having children, you can add free education as well. All in…

Absolutely. The free healthcare alone makes up for the lower salaries in France.

My friend is diabetic and in poor health, he would go broke if he lived in America and not Europe.

Re: Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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> the salary is 2 to 3 times less so it’s negative?

Rule of thumb is that half the salary amount (e.g. 120k USD to 60k EUR) in Paris will get you about the same or better quality of life as you have in NYC or SF, once you account for differences in how real estate, taxes, healthcare, and retirement work.

Nope. I currently work for an American company. They pay me 144k euros (before taxes). This include retirements and social security.

Same job in France would be 65k if I negotiate REALLY well.

Re: Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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> even including social benefits, the salary is 2 to 3 times less Yea... no. Especially if you factor in the cost of life. Edit: Average salary in SF for tech workers is $142k vs $56k in Paris [1]. Once adjusted for cost of living, Paris is roughly 86k$ [1]. Now, you add all the social benefits, like free health care, retirements etc. And if you have/plan on having children, you can add free education as well. All in…

French working for an American company. Yes.

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Re: Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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> even including social benefits, the salary is 2 to 3 times less Yea... no. Especially if you factor in the cost of life. Edit: Average salary in SF for tech workers is $142k vs $56k in Paris [1]. Once adjusted for cost of living, Paris is roughly 86k$ [1]. Now, you add all the social benefits, like free health care, retirements etc. And if you have/plan on having children, you can add free education as well. All in…

Absolutely. The free healthcare alone makes up for the lower salaries in France. My friend is diabetic and in poor health, he would go broke if he lived in America and not Europe.

? if he/she was SW Eng. in SV ?

Re: Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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> even including social benefits, the salary is 2 to 3 times less Yea... no. Especially if you factor in the cost of life. Edit: Average salary in SF for tech workers is $142k vs $56k in Paris [1]. Once adjusted for cost of living, Paris is roughly 86k$ [1]. Now, you add all the social benefits, like free health care, retirements etc. And if you have/plan on having children, you can add free education as well. All in…

French working for an American company. Yes.

Yea sure, and a French working for a Dubai-based company would make 5 times more, but that's not really representative of the average case is it?

Re: Ask HN: How's the Paris startup scene?

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Ok, so a lot of people here are comparing the french Startup scene to what it was before. I understand why, but it's misleading. Yes, compared to what it was before, it's booming. But it was ridiculously bad before. However compared to what's happening in the US, it's still lagging. Innovation is alright, however investment and risk taking are nowhere close to the American standard. It's still very meh. The culture o…

> the salary is 2 to 3 times less so it’s negative?

Yes, you will be paid much less.

But you will stay less hours at the office as well.

And you'll get way more time off.

Also you get to go to the Fontainebleau forest, eat to the "Pates vivantes" in the 9e, and can just walk to buy stuff most of the time. Or roller skate.

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