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Ask HN: Will Microsoft ever become cool again?

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Re: Ask HN: Will Microsoft ever become cool again?

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post #4

Again?

Xenix on the Lisa was kind of cool.

Really?

People forget that Microsoft sold more copies of Xenix (A UNIX operating system) for both PDP-11 and PCs than all the other Unix boxen suppliers of that era. But then marketing decided that they didn't need a real OS, so they sold it SCO and then later bankrolled them into suing Linux suppliers, etc. That was all Steve Ballmer's watch, during which MS shares also lost half their value.

Re: Ask HN: Will Microsoft ever become cool again?

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post #8

They're doing a hell of a lot more cool things than Apple, these days. Windows is moving. macOS is terrible. (Says the guy who's been a Mac user for >15 years and bought every new product Apple has come out with.) Apple is doing this to themselves. As a dev platform, their appeal is waning. (Stop making shit laptops, and make your macOS stable again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) Microsoft, under Nadella, is making the right moves, li…

I agree.

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Re: Ask HN: Will Microsoft ever become cool again?

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If someone is on a windows machine, using the pre-installed IE11 or Edge browser, I tend to assume it's a 70 year old these days. Or possibly someone at a firm with some dated internal ActiveX page that needs IE. That kind of association is extremely difficult to break. Car manufacturers have struggled with similar impressions. You can make the greatest, and cheapest, car in the world, and people won't buy it if it h…

Talking of cars, Porsche sell stripped out, weekend racer versions for more than the more luxurious ones. But it is a niche market. Same with computers for nerds - we know what we are doing, but for the average consumer - which is certainly MS's target market - the more bells and whistles the more impressive it is in the showroom.

I see what you’re trying to get at. But your example is not correct.

What Porsche model is a stripped down version of another? Porsche Turbo S —> GT3/2 RS? Cayman GTS —> GT4?

Because in those 2 examples, there’s no stripping down.

Re: Ask HN: Will Microsoft ever become cool again?

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post #27
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that they are moving, but they seem to be innovating without focusing on the user. It's like a bunch of enginerds working on cool projects that they are coming up with. Yeah they might be cool, but will people buy/use them? Maybe it's still too early to tell, and all of these moonshot concepts will result in useable devices, but so far I feel like the device ecosystem and interoperability of devices just isn'…

Ummm... YES. Lots of folks who have been unsatisfied with the current Mac lineup, and High Sierra, have switched. I did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If you need a UNIX-y workflow the Windows Subsystem for Linux makes all the difference.

Yet out in the real world Mac sales are continuing to grow while the rest of the industry is in decline.

Re: Ask HN: Will Microsoft ever become cool again?

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Again?

When IBM went to the PS/2 architecture, and the OS/2 software, to try to kill the PC clone market and lock up the PC hardware and OS market for themselves, Microsoft was the champion of freedom and openness. Really. Windows 95 and 98 were when the GUI became cool. Well, cool and available - it was cool on the Mac, but nobody had Macs.

OS/2 was a partnership in which Microsoft betrayed IBM when they realized they could frighten OEMs into refusing to sell any competing OS.

Re: Ask HN: Will Microsoft ever become cool again?

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I think they're cool. The Surface Pro and Surface Book are the only computers since the iPad first came out that I actually wanted to buy. They also put Linux in Windows, released visual studio for free, created one of the most popular text editors ever, and created 3 programming languages that are generally well liked (C#, F#, and typescript). I'm not sure how cool they are compared to Google, Amazon, Netflix, Apple…

You left out that .NET Core is just as fast as Node.js [1] and .Net runs on linux. Its pretty cool that I can write Linux programs now even though I am terrible at c (to my neverending shame). 1 https://stackoverflow.com/a/44093694/73804

Being bad at C (and family) does not mean you can not write 'Linux programs', just pick any other language of choice and start writing. Recently the .Net family has been added, before that Mono made a valiant attempt at supporting it but those have been preceded (and might be succeeded) by a lengthy list of languages in which 'Linux programs' can be written, from BASIC to Haskell, from Python to Ocaml, from Fortran to Lisp, take your pick.

Re: Ask HN: Will Microsoft ever become cool again?

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Cool to whom? As a nerd, I would like them to do what Apple did: release a new, clean, robust OS (based on OpenBSD would be smart, worked for Apple) and then provide a shim for backward compatibility. That is, allow all existing programs to still run but have a clean platform for future apps. Like ChromeOS I would prefer this to be truly secure, robust and updated with minimal intrusion. As a consumer, I want systems…

The lower levels of Windows 10 are probably the least problematic so basing a 'new, clean, robust OS' on OpenBSD (which, by the way, Apple did not do, they used parts of the FreeBSD userland on top of a Mach-inspired kernel) would not do much good as they'd still have to include support for Win32 for it to be considered a replacement for Windows. It is there Windows really shows what it is made of: glue, tape, rubber bands, hastily erected scaffolding around sassing facades, heavy structures built on top of unstable foundations. Microsoft tries (and tries, and tries) to replace all that with something new but they have a hard time making up their mind what the replacement should be and where the focus should lie.

In this sense a good successor to Windows would be a lightweight VM host running one-off instances of older Windows versions to support the host of software made for that platform, allowing those instances to communicate with each other. That might be good for users but it does not offer a path forward for Microsoft.

In truth, there probably is no way forward for Microsoft in this space. Windows is a dead end, the 'information at your fingertips' idea which Gates spouted has come true but not by way of Windows.

Re: Ask HN: Will Microsoft ever become cool again?

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If someone is on a windows machine, using the pre-installed IE11 or Edge browser, I tend to assume it's a 70 year old these days. Or possibly someone at a firm with some dated internal ActiveX page that needs IE. That kind of association is extremely difficult to break. Car manufacturers have struggled with similar impressions. You can make the greatest, and cheapest, car in the world, and people won't buy it if it h…

Edge is superior to anything I’ve tried on a tablet.

I don’t use my Win10 tablet anymore, but it is what it is.

Re: Ask HN: Will Microsoft ever become cool again?

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post #8

They're doing a hell of a lot more cool things than Apple, these days. Windows is moving. macOS is terrible. (Says the guy who's been a Mac user for >15 years and bought every new product Apple has come out with.) Apple is doing this to themselves. As a dev platform, their appeal is waning. (Stop making shit laptops, and make your macOS stable again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) Microsoft, under Nadella, is making the right moves, li…

Doesn't Windows have ads embedded w/in their OS?

I don't know if they're there or not. I haven't run into any ads yet.
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