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> the browsers language would be Scheme And the world would be 10000 times better off for it.
wounder if people would still complain
Of course they would. About the same things, in the same way.
Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?
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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?
#42No. Quite awake actually. JavaScript opens up a world of possibilities you cannot do with just HTML. It's the current platform of the browser app. If you are happy with static websites, that's great. Most people are not.
I mean... you could replace javascript with any other programming language and achieve the same thing. The choice of javascript as the language with which to access the standardized APIs is arbitrary. Browsers could have equivalently chosen any other sufficiently similar language, like Lua or Python.
You can still do that. There are many languages that compile to Javascript though I never saw the point in those (mostly because I'm very comfortable with JavaScript as a language)
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?
#43Yes. I am maintaining an Anglaur app just now. What a waste of effort. Everything would have been so much simpler if it was kept server side. Instead we have a ton of duplicated logic.
Stating the obvious, but that's the fault of whoever decided to do it in Angular and didn't understand the trade-offs of single page apps. If an app can be just as easily (or more easily) implemented server-side with no 'relevant' impact on UX, it probably should be.
It does give a bit more interactivity, but had it been up to me the majority of the logic would be server side with a bit of client side JavaScript. The amount of duplicated code for a very small amount of extra interactivity really doesn't seem worth the effort to me.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?
#44Tired of JavaScript? Not particularly. Tired of the #hype around JavaScript and more specifically the constant frameworks of the week? Absolutely. I don't think this is a problem unique to JavaScript, however. We see the same sort of thing around technologies. Right now it's ML and Blockchain, earlier it was Cloud and IOT. The industry in general appears to be mostly built on inventing problems that can be solved by…
And I am tired of the "tired of JavaScript hype and new frameworks every week" speech. It has a huge community, of course there will be new things created every week. But, if it as bad you will not even hear about it, if you hear it is probably good or better on some aspects compared to others, who doesn't want that? do everyone wanted to be stuck with MooTools or JQuery forever?
JQuery works fine for most stuff. Not every app needs to be implemented as a SPA app, in fact I think many are better of with a more traditional architecture and a bit of jQuery. These days even jQuery doesn't seem especially necessary.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?
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The major problem is that when you learn something in this current crazy JS/Front world, your knowledge is deprecated 6 months later. I know a developer should always stay up to date with technology by constantly learning, but if I compare what I learned 5 years ago in Python, I would say 95% is still relevant today. But if I look at the JS "state-of-the-art" stack today, compared to the 2 years old, it's completely…
Maybe because there is no need to evolve there? I mean, you can see clearly why we came from jQuery, to AngularJs, then Angular/React/Vue, there was a need.
This constant need to evolve is the exact definition of immaturity, for HTML/CSS/JS front-end.
I'm not a mobile dev, but I'm pretty sure when you make the front-end in an iOS app, you don't need to learn 3 languages + 2 frameworks + tooling to transpile + type checker + webpack...
Web front-end is completely broken because the foundation (HTML/JS/CSS) is not the right tool for the need.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?
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Maybe because there is no need to evolve there? I mean, you can see clearly why we came from jQuery, to AngularJs, then Angular/React/Vue, there was a need.
This constant need to evolve is the exact definition of immaturity, for HTML/CSS/JS front-end. I'm not a mobile dev, but I'm pretty sure when you make the front-end in an iOS app, you don't need to learn 3 languages + 2 frameworks + tooling to transpile + type checker + webpack... Web front-end is completely broken because the foundation (HTML/JS/CSS) is not the right tool for the need.
Now that is a real problem, and it will not be fixed soon.
It is easy to a single company define how they want their platform to be, like iOS, but browsers are a different beast, as every change need to be agreed between several major companies.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else just tired of JavaScript?
#47Yes. I'm tired of people getting so excited about using such a sub-par language in X environment.