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Re: Ask HN: What can I do as a software engineer to help the underpriviliged?

#41
You can volunteer your skills to work with nonprofits that use technology to accelerate their impact.

The most well-known of these tech nonprofits are Mozilla, Khan Academy, Wikipedia. Some have come through YC, like Watsi and SIRUM.

At Fast Forward (org that I started, like a YC for nonprofits), we have a listing of some available tech-based volunteer opportunities on our website (https://www.ffwd.org/tech-nonprofit-jobs/opportunities/?_sft...).

For example, TalkingPoints (tool for teachers to text parents) is looking for a machine learning advisor. MindRight (text message counseling for kids who have suffered trauma) is looking for a code reviewer.

Your software engineering skills are incredibly valuable, and it's hard for nonprofits to find and afford quality developers. Providing those skills can greatly help others.

Re: Ask HN: What can I do as a software engineer to help the underpriviliged?

#42
Leave your bubble.

Spend two or three years working in South America, Africa or Asia. Make it a goal to develop genuine friendships with some of your colleagues and neighbors. You'll have no choice but to expand your understanding of the world and your empathy for people whose lives have been very different than your own.

Re: Ask HN: What can I do as a software engineer to help the underpriviliged?

#43

I had the same dilemma and eventually teamed up with a few others to start a non-profit technology company, to serve other charities. The industry often gets the edge of commercial tools not built for their needs, or ones that haven’t been updated in years. For example Blackbaud is the market leader in non-profit software, they just launched the cloud version of their CRM product. You literally Citrix into a VM and s…

That's awesome, would love to hear more about the process of setting up an NPO. P.S. brave browser on Android just spins trying to view raisely.com.

Always happy to chat if you’re interested! tom [at] raisely.com

Also thanks for the heads up I’ll have a look at what’s causing that.

Re: Ask HN: What can I do as a software engineer to help the underpriviliged?

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If in America, your options are very limited and the answer very simple: Use your money, time, voice and vote to support a modern public safety net. Every other avenue is a divergence or distraction or otherwise ineffective.

Best answer in the thread and a very clever one, IMHO. Fixing things that lead directly to thousands of people falling in poverty each year is better than the neverending cycle of applying patches to mitigate its consequences.

We could call those “patches too. Supporting a free market always requires maintaining an environment that allows it to justify it’s means. It seems there are probably many paths to this end. This is the only proven one as far as I know. In other words, I am not aware of any healthy economies which lack healthy safety nets.

Re: Ask HN: What can I do as a software engineer to help the underpriviliged?

#45
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I answered with “what he could do to support the under privileged”. In some contexts, my suggestion could be used as a political platform, but it isn’t here. It is, however, obviously, politics. How could it not be? It is strange to me that you contextualize this way. It is no less than obvious, to me, that politics, as a field so concerned with the livelihood of society members, is a (if not the) topic at hand.…

Why don't I address your comment piecemeal? I'm going to assume that the thing we care about the most is poverty when we're talking about under privileged people. > If in America, your options are very limited How are your options limited? The US has over 1 million nonprofit public charities plus 400,000 other nonprofit organizations (foundations, civic leagues, etc)[1]. 62 million Americans volunteered for nonprofit…

>How are your options limited? The US has over 1 million nonprofit public charities plus 400,000 other nonprofit organizations...

Note your numbers claim effort, not results, a telling sign of failure to achieve them.

And when we compare our results with our purported over-the-top effort, we are faced with the dizzying proportions of our failure. Why are these measurements so astronomically unproportionate? The private charity system lacks evidence-based incentives. It is egregiously inefficient and in it's best cases relies on rich guilt and virtue signalling. This prioritizes advertising over problem solving, and even worse, it by-and-large rewards organizations who minimize problem solving. Our charities provide images, not solutions, and only a fool could wonder why. In the other cases, the charity organizations are tax dumps that either don't address a worthy cause or apply an ineffective solution (sometimes a solution that even worsens the problem) simply because success is not correlated with the intent. Many of them do nothing but invest in capital. They get away with it because investment and effort are the only measurements calculated. Results don't matter. Most free-market economies are quick to identify this as a problem. If it works, why hasn't it worked?

>The answer is clearly not very simple. Poverty is not only globally prevalent, it has never been eradicated by any historical or modern society, ever...

Your assertion that poverty cannot be eradicated is a straw man. I'm sure you'll understand my decision to ignore it.

To the question of how to fight poverty: When private solutions don't work, public options are simple to apply. And plenty of evidence provided by our own history and fellow western nations makes it pretty reliable. Less than perfect? Yes. Ugly with poor branding? Well yes, but that's not the point. The point is: it works.

>I assumed by this you meant support a political party committed to expanding the public safety net...

I wish it were that simple. But, your assumptions are premature; that is not what I meant. I am not a democrat and I don't recommend taking those measures you assume, precisely for the reasons you have already detailed. The American electoral process hasn't offered a candidate who dependably supports an honest expansion of safety nets in my lifetime. It came close with Bernie Sanders. He is the only hope I am aware of.

>It seems to me that any effort to fight poverty through political means is extremely indirect. The $1 you spend on, for example, campaign contributions, is going to pay to win an election first...

These are all good points which apply to most candidates, but it should be pointed out here that Bernie Sanders undermines them. It's very difficult to support candidates. We desperately need a modern electoral process which limits campaign spending (again, see other western democracies). Until then, you can probably count on Bernie Sander's campaign to appreciate and respectfully process your donations into political measures. His track record, consistency and refusal to accept donations from corporate/private interests offers thus-far reliable

>I hope I've shown that politics is probably the most inefficient method your time and money could be used to help the poor, and that helping the poor can be done effectively without touching politics...

Not in the least. Still open, but none of this was new to me. All pretty obvious.

Re: Ask HN: What can I do as a software engineer to help the underpriviliged?

#46
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I answered with “what he could do to support the under privileged”. In some contexts, my suggestion could be used as a political platform, but it isn’t here. It is, however, obviously, politics. How could it not be? It is strange to me that you contextualize this way. It is no less than obvious, to me, that politics, as a field so concerned with the livelihood of society members, is a (if not the) topic at hand.…

Why don't I address your comment piecemeal? I'm going to assume that the thing we care about the most is poverty when we're talking about under privileged people. > If in America, your options are very limited How are your options limited? The US has over 1 million nonprofit public charities plus 400,000 other nonprofit organizations (foundations, civic leagues, etc)[1]. 62 million Americans volunteered for nonprofit…

> None of this giving goes to government organizations, although of course some nonprofits get federal or state funding (probably a small %). But the point is that millions of Americans find a way to help the underprivileged apolitically

Contrary to what you might expect from the name, a "nonprofit public charity" does not need to do anything to help the underprivileged. For instance, if the exempt purpose is "religious", and the organization does nothing but cater to the religious needs of its members and does nothing to help the "underprivileged", it is still a legitimate public charity.

Re: Ask HN: What can I do as a software engineer to help the underpriviliged?

#47

Join with engineers already working on civic engagement. Check out: Tech Solidarity, Tech Resistance, Tech for Campaigns, Silicon Valley Rising, Tech Workers Coalition, Tech Stands Up, Tech Worker Coalition, Progressive Coders Network, Techtivist, Civic Hall, HacktionLab..

"Resistance", "Coalition" and "Solidarity" rings some nasty bells. Funny how Solidarity was once the battle cry of people fighting against communism. Now...I guess not so much

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Re: Ask HN: What can I do as a software engineer to help the underpriviliged?

#48
Are you gainfully employed? The best answer might be the simplest, both to describe and execute: cultivate your career and use it to generate funds for people who help the underprivileged as a specialty. The market can put your time to better use than you can helping people directly, and plenty of important public assistance groups are starved for cash.

Start donating now. Get into the habit. Ramp up your contributions over time. You'll probably find you give a lot more than you expect you'd be comfortable with.

Re: Ask HN: What can I do as a software engineer to help the underpriviliged?

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dan Pollatta said in one if his Ted Talks that it wasn't selfish for a person to stay in the private sector where they could earn more money and then give the excess to charity over working for the charity and make less. I haven't thought through his whole talk enough to have an informed opinion but it is interesting. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/trevor-neilson/dan-pallotta-w...

For completeness sake, here is best argument I've found against the idea of "Earning to Give": http://lesswrong.com/lw/hjn/earning_to_give_vs_altruistic_ca... It's a nuanced piece and doesn't argue against it entirely, but the arguments in it should inform these kinds of decisions.

That's interesting. I think if you can code well and transition to leadership, then the situation is unusual and earning to give is ideal. He noted 500k as unusual.

So, for me it makes sense to stay course since I am unusual. I would further argue that you should prefer private sector until you think unusual is not your thing or just not attainable.

Re: Ask HN: What can I do as a software engineer to help the underpriviliged?

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Are you gainfully employed? The best answer might be the simplest, both to describe and execute: cultivate your career and use it to generate funds for people who help the underprivileged as a specialty. The market can put your time to better use than you can helping people directly, and plenty of important public assistance groups are starved for cash. Start donating now. Get into the habit. Ramp up your contributio…

I second this. Look into GiveWell and effective altruism, if you're not familiar with them. Also look up the term "earn to give". There's some truly amazing opportunities to deploy capital in the service of the less fortunate, particularly in places like Sub-Saharan Africa where e.g. $3500 buys enough mosquito nets to result, statistically, in one life saved. $3500!
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