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Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

#41
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One-time setup fees seem like one of the dumbest things a hosting company can do. I can think of few more effective ways to keep me from trying a service.

Yeah, it is annoying; they do sometimes have specials where the setup fees are waived or reduced. I have to say their service has been excellent for me though (I've used them for years). Note that you might want to check if hosting in Germany has any legal implications for you - German data protection laws are vastly more strict than the US, say.

It's not just annoying it's counterproductive. In my head setup fees trigger warning bells on two areas:

1. The company is so un-automated that it actually needs considerable human intervention to prepare a server and doesn't actually bother to include this basic operation into their total cost (they sell servers after all).

2. It's a trick to squeeze at least the 150 euro from you. Because if I find out in the first months that their service is sub-par I can just cancel my subscription but I'm not getting my 150 euro back.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

#42
I'm done with slow disk on cloud hosts. But actually the one with slow disk was Slicehost, and I AM fed up to hell with that. They caused me no end of problems until I figured out they were the problem. It's a bit deceptive, really, since you're promised your fair share of resources - then it turns out you're disk i/o is as low as 3/mb a sec. W T F.

Instead of going nuts and hosting in my garage, though... I just changed hosts. A rack on a colo would make more sense than the garage route, too.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

#43
I'm always baffled by this question. What on earth gives anyone the perception that data services are only about a connection and a server? How many concurrent TCP/IP sessions do you think that "free" Comcast cable router will support? I can guarantee you that you can overrun it's capabilities with even a single dedicated server. You might have a few spare UPSs lying around, but what about HVAC? What are you going to do when a squirrel blows the only circuit servicing your home? Sure, your servers and connection might stay up, but how long can you run without overheating? When you enumerate the things that data centers have, and your garage does not, I can't see how it makes any sense.

* Redundant electricity/generators * Real HVAC systems (also on generators) * Fire suppression systems * Redundant connectivity * Connections that can handle high levels of concurrency * Secure facility

Never underestimate the impact of downtime to your business' viability. At any given moment, your service will be "critical" to someone. Often times, the loss of confidence can't be regained, and to be brutally honest, that loss of confidence would be justified given that you think it's ok to run your hosting out of a garage.

Given how small the cost delta is between hosting infrastructure at your home versus paying for something like a VPS, you're assigning a very small value to your customer's importance. As a customer, how am I supposed to feel about that? That is probably the single greatest reason more startups aren't doing this. You have to fight and claw for every customer you get. I'm not willing to have them walk out the door because I decided I could save $70/month on hosting by doing it from my garage. If you can't sustain the hosting costs required to run your business today, you won't be able to do it six months from now. Time to reassess your model.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

#45
post #15

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And depending on where you live you could add until someone walks in and walks away with your server (and all of your user's data on it).

As opposed to some government agency taking a hosting provider's server, and you happen to be on the same VPS as the "suspect"?

Well, according to this article [1] a burglary happens every 15 seconds. I highly doubt any government agency is that efficient, but even if it did happen and you have a backup you could be back live in a couple minutes. Just like the scalability comments below allude to, the key is having the infrastructure right and then everything else is easier.

[1]: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/homeandga...

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

#46
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Because you are in the software business, not the hosting business. Over the long run, a hosting company should be able to keep your website up and running "in less time", "higher quality", and "cheaper" than you can. If your business can host websites more efficiently and effectively than a hosting firm, maybe you are in the wrong business and should become a hosting company for other firms?

Well, holy cow. If he can cook a frozen pizza cheaper than ordering from dominoes maybe he should be in the restaurant business instead of the software business.

Not exactly, what is being proposed is more along the lines of making your own dough, sauce and then a pizza versus ordering a pizza or cooking a frozen one. Your home made pizza might taste a bit better, but why are you spending your time making pizza's when all you want to do is eat them?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

#47
While hosting anything that's too serious in your garage probably isn't a great idea- I've hosted stuff at non-traditional places before and been just fine. Nothing of ours is mission critical that I'm doing this with.

We've got a rack at a local university that's in a large (8x10) closet with its own power, HVAC and fire suppression. The facility is fairly secure and you'd have to know two layers of door codes to get in there.

Yet we've got 6 servers in a rack. The servers in total cost us around $3000 (could have done it for less, but one of them we bought new and went overkill on), and we pay nothing for monthly hosting.

If you sniff around local universities, you can likely find someone that is cool with you throwing something in their rack for free or cheap. I know many of the dorms at MIT have several 42U racks on each floor and people throw stuff in those all the time. I know of others that have cheap hosting for affiliated members.

Time to call your alma mater?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

#48
While hosting anything that's too serious in your garage probably isn't a great idea- I've hosted stuff at non-traditional places before and been just fine. Nothing of ours is mission critical that I'm doing this with.

We've got a rack at a local university that's in a large (8x10) closet with its own power, HVAC and fire suppression. The facility is fairly secure and you'd have to know two layers of door codes to get in there.

Yet we've got 6 servers in a rack. The servers in total cost us around $3000 (could have done it for less, but one of them we bought new and went overkill on), and we pay nothing for monthly hosting.

If you sniff around local universities, you can likely find someone that is cool with you throwing something in their rack for free or cheap. I know many of the dorms at MIT have several 42U racks on each floor and people throw stuff in those all the time. I know of others that have cheap hosting for affiliated members.

Time to call your alma mater?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

#49
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As opposed to some government agency taking a hosting provider's server, and you happen to be on the same VPS as the "suspect"?

Well, according to this article [1] a burglary happens every 15 seconds. I highly doubt any government agency is that efficient, but even if it did happen and you have a backup you could be back live in a couple minutes. Just like the scalability comments below allude to, the key is having the infrastructure right and then everything else is easier. [1]: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/homeandga...

Actually, I think the key is what you just mentioned...

backup.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

#50
Downtime doesn't sound so bad when your site is relatively unknown... What happens when your fortunate enough to get your first piece of good press that directs a flood of traffic to your site? Seems to me that's when downtime is most likely to happen, and when you'd have preferred to pay professionals to prepare you for it.
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