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Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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Re: Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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post #13

For the context, I have been using the Dvorak layout since February 2009, so nearly 8 years. My keyboard is the TypeMatrix 2030[0]. The first 4 to 6 months where really hard, having the feeling to go back 10 years or more in the past with respect to typing speed. But after that, I improved a lot my typing speed and I am now to a point where I type as fast as I can formulate the sentences in my head. What is impressiv…

Is there any keyboard similar to the TypeMatrix (for ease of use and helping with RSIs) with mechanical switches?

Re: Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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I made my own layout years ago. I'm french and for years I typed on an azerty keyboard. When I switched to Qwerty, I found I really disliked the position of the m key. So I changed it.

Then I changed a few more keys so I could have easier access to them for programming. All the punctuation as well as putting some common unicode glyphs on altgr.

This is the end result: Drix EU Latin.

https://github.com/jleclanche/dotfiles/blob/master/X11/xkb/s...

It's an xkb file, only tested on Linux. I literally install it by replacing `/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us` with this file. (There's probably a better way nowadays, but back then the way was "submit your layout to X11 and get it merged in". I didn't want to do that.)

If you find dvorak too hard, maybe give this a shot. It should be self-evident how to move glyphs around as the file is well-commented. I find non-qwerty-like layouts to be a waste of time, to be honest, compared to studying how you yourself type and moving the keys you find problematic/out of reach.

Re: Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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post #12

I also went cold turkey a couple of years ago. The reason for me was that I experienced pain in my fingers after typing. After a day at work I was guaranteed to be in pain. At the time my productivity plummeted and it took me maybe two months to get to a level where I wasn't constantly frustrated. That said, I've never regretted the switch. Even though I still feel pain sometimes when using a laptop keyboard the pain…

With programming/shell using Dvorak I experienced pain noticed most in pinky-heavy commands (e.g. ls).

I now map right alt to return and that's helped:

   xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
in ~/.Xmodmap:

    ! 108 = Right Alt
    keycode 108 = Return

Re: Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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I've been using Dvorak since ~2004, so roughly 13 years.

I don't rave about it, but I do like it. It's good on my wrists and that actively makes me happy.

In terms of timeline, for me, it took about 4 months using it in a FT programming job before it just clicked and muscle memory started picking up big time. Until then, it started with hunt and peck (but I _always_ used my the "correct" finger to do so), then slowly getting it a little better. I had originally printed out a sheet showing all the keys as I had to reference it regularly.

It was fun though- I dunno, I like the challenge of it. I've been playing with the idea of switching to Colemak, but I just haven't made it a priority yet.

I also use Dvorak on Android, but obviously that was much later in life, so I already had it memorized by then.

Re: Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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Once people know you don't type QWERTY they won't shut up about it. Every time there is an HN post about colemak or dvorak you'll get the same stream of jokes and references to 20 year old reason articles. Some people seem to think the only reason to switch is that you are secretly a keyboard evangelical, and treat you as such. It's pretty annoying. /rant My only metric for Dvorak's effectiveness is that my wrists us…

Hey, wait, aren't you that guy that does the funny nerd keyboard thing? Type me a sentence. Dance monkey, dance!

And every time there is a test form filled with "aoeuaoeuaoeu" someone says "hey hey I know who did that!"

Although I'w surprised how quickly I can type 'qwerty' with this keyboard.

Re: Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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I switched to Dvorak three years ago. Mostly out of curiosity and because I heard it was better for my wrists.

One thing that I felt was really helpful was having different keyboards for the different layouts and not just a software switch. I started with a Typematrix and a year after bought myself a Kinesis Advantage. Both those keyboard have a grid layout (as opposed to the staggered layout of most standard keyboards). My experience (sample size of 1) was that this allowed me to have one muscle memory for the Dvorak/grid keyboards and one muscle memory for the Qwerty/staggered keyboard.

At the beginning, I was only using the Dvorak on the weekends and with some typing tutors for some exercise 10-20 minutes a day. I think I made the switch to Dvorak as my main driver after two-three months. I haven't looked back since and still feel much less comfortable using Qwerty (only use it on the laptop which might play a role), although I can still touch-type on it quite easily.

Re: Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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I've always felt like I should switch to Dvorak, but because of hjkl I never ended up doing it. What I DID do was get rid of my qwerty bad habits. I could touch type fairly well, but I just had some bad habits (typing b with the wrong hand, only using the left shift, looking when I type numbers).

Around 6 months ago my USB thinkpad-like keyboard died. Turns out if you shock the shit out of it with static electricity 3-4 times a day for 2 years, it'll eventually stop working). A coworker had an Ergodox with blank keycaps that I'd wanted to try...

I spent around 2 weeks feeling like I couldn't type. Every time I did the wrong thing I'd go back and fix it. After about a month, I was starting to get comfortable with it. After 2 months I felt like I could type dramatically better than before (and people previously would comment on how fast I typed).

And best yet, I avoid the pains of vi key mappings and of walking up to someone else's keyboard and having to switch back to qwerty.

LOVE the Ergodox.

Re: Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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I converted to Colemak on a TypeMatrix keyboard some years back. Everything was fine and I used to sing its praises until I started having to go to client sites or using other work machines. In one embarrassing incident I was leading a team at a client site and they wanted a demo of what we could do on Linux. No problem, it is my main OS, except I could barely type and looked like I didn't know what I was doing. I went straight back to qwerty on a traditional keyboard after that, it just didn't work for my situation.

Re: Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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It took me one day to adjust and to be as fast as I was at typing on a qwerty layout. In that one day though, I was very strict with myself. In addition to doing a couple of hours of typing drills, I used Dvorak for everything, writing code, emails, using twitter, and did not let myself take a break, even though I wanted to switch back to qwerty so badly.

Re: Ask HN: What is your experience switching away from QWERTY keyboard?

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post #18
post #14

Moved to France 10 years ago and had to decide between buying a QWERTY keyboard or laptop online and getting it delivered, or just buying a local AZERTY keyboard. Went local, had a couple of weeks of re-learning how to type, and then things were fine. From time to time I encounter a QWERTY keyboard (some in the French office here prefer it as they trained on QWERTY while in university or working internationally) but…

I'm French, and AZERTY sometime drives me crazy. Braces and parenthesis aren't logically placed, characters used in coding languages aren't easily accessible in general . And I've generally concluded that I should install games in English and switch my keyboard layout to QWERTY when/if I play. Plus, mods usually are in English, and I hate when there's a word in French and the next is in English.

I grew up on azerty. Switched to British qwerty when I lived there, haven't gone back. It's by far, for me, the best programming keyboard.

I'm in Denmark now, and I'm appalled to see how bad the Danish keyboard is for programming. I tried it for a couple of days on a loaner, and went back to British qwerty. Punctuation is a disaster.

http://smartkeyboardsolutions.com/images/Danish-10019-zoom.g...

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