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Ask HN: What’s the best city/state for self-taught web devs without a degree?

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Re: Ask HN: What’s the best city/state for self-taught web devs without a degree?

#41

Build something. This transcends geography. Show competency by building something that demonstrates your technical ability. Better yet, build 2 things. Be able to demo your projects, and talk at length about the technical challenges in building them. That said, your best best is always going to be small / medium sized companies. Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are mostly going to be looking for solid CS fundamentals…

> Build something.

Fish got to swim, birds got to fly, artists have to art. Why isn't this the only answer people are posting?

Re: Ask HN: What’s the best city/state for self-taught web devs without a degree?

#42
I'm german so can't answer your question directly. But what worked for me to maintain a career after quitting university to pursue my own startup was to work as a subcontractor for larger agencies. You get these types of jobs mostly through your network, have to do some hustling and accepting a low "first project" rate, but if you leave a good enough impression that leaves you as a "safe choice" you'll quickly get projects of ever increasing importance. After a while of this your resume should include big enough projects and brand names that your lack of degree is only a footnote compared to the experience obviously on display.

Re: Ask HN: What’s the best city/state for self-taught web devs without a degree?

#43
I have some experience with this since I went straight from high school to working in San Francisco. I don't know about the best city for someone without degree, but the best city for tech by far is San Francisco. To give you an idea of how dense the tech scene is in SF, the headquarters of Uber, Square, and Twitter, are all within two blocks of each other. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of other tech companies just a few blocks further from there.

As for companies, I have found it much easier to interview at larger companies than smaller ones. When I applied to three larger companies (Uber, Google, Dropbox) all of who were interviewed me and eventually made me an offer. I also applied to six smaller companies, of which four rejected me without interview, and the remaining two wound up making me offers.

Since I was unsure whether I would be able to get a job or not, I deferred from college for a year, so I could always go back if I couldn't find a job. Depending on your situation, this may or may not apply to you.

Re: Ask HN: What’s the best city/state for self-taught web devs without a degree?

#45

Build something. This transcends geography. Show competency by building something that demonstrates your technical ability. Better yet, build 2 things. Be able to demo your projects, and talk at length about the technical challenges in building them. That said, your best best is always going to be small / medium sized companies. Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are mostly going to be looking for solid CS fundamentals…

> Build something.

After this, which is IMO the only valid answer, we could talk about web devs with degree looking for jobs at startups founded by self-taught web devs without degree...

Re: Ask HN: What’s the best city/state for self-taught web devs without a degree?

#47
post #4

Best bet would be to just apply for jobs everywhere and move wherever you get the best offer

There is also a cost of companies having to fly you to interviews using this strategy, so I guess it will make things a tiny bit harder.

Re: Ask HN: What’s the best city/state for self-taught web devs without a degree?

#48
post #25

Portland, Oregon -- if you got skills and can prove it you will get hired.

Why? I think this question is implying a desire for explanation of pros/cons for a city.

I think you're reading into the question a bit much - it's just asking "What's the best city for Devs without a Degree?" Granted, having a why is really nice. So here goes:

I'm not sure I agree with OP's assessment that it's be best without explanation, as a Portlander myself. There really aren't that many tech jobs here, not like SF at least, and given that it's competitive (everyone wants to live here), anyone who wants to see a C.S. degree on their resumes can discard the others until they find what they're looking for. Granted, since a lot of companies here are small and don't have the money to fly prospective hires in for a visit, living here and at least having technical skills is valuable. It also helps your case that aside from Intel we don't have much of a presence from top software giants - ya know, the kinda that can be picky about who they hire. A lot of the jobs here aren't "high tech" though - as a developer you might have a hard time finding the sweet spot of fun/interesting/world changing work you're looking for.

That said, the DIY ethos is strong here, and there really aren't that many techies, so a good history of development will get you as far here as anywhere. I think the lack of nearby schools producing C.S. grads is another factor in why most of our tech community is self-taught or imported from somewhere where C.S. is taught.

Culturally, I think casual tech people are happier here since the community is small and not as serious as in SF or other places. People who are really serious about their work are rare and talking about work makes you seem clueless in a city full of people who love to play.

Re: Ask HN: What’s the best city/state for self-taught web devs without a degree?

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misread apparently. No one said anything about a CS degree . And your intuition is wrong. The Facebooks and the Googles are the companies who are confident enough in their screening that they don't care much about your formal education anymore. CS fundamentals absolutely. CS degree nope.

Should I be able to get an interview with a pure math degree, but data structures + algorithms study on the side?

Sure. Just put something on your resume that gives a recruiter some confidence in your capability with respect to those data structures and algorithms. A computer science degree is only one way of doing that.
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