Ask HN: I'm 23, and I dislike my job as a software engineer

He's only 23, so he's probably single. Just wait until he discovers the harsh reality of marriage. No one ever seems to tell single people about that either.

There's a reason people have called college "the best years of your life". They really are; everything goes straight down the toilet after that.

Agreed.

For example, Microsoft is now swell, really. I mean, do you think it was really that difficult for them to improve Winphone ASAP? Of course not. But it took them so many years, they failed Windows Mobile, bought Nokia, destroyed Nokia, stopped releasing updates to older phones, and now they're dumping Lumia. After all these years, they still don't have a solid user-friendly OS. I know, people always complain about the lack of apps, but I believe Winphone has a bigger problem: it is not designed with the users' happiness in mind. Microsoft is too big that transforming ideas into products is so slow due to all the bureaucracy.

This is not the case with startups. They mostly use scripting languages with fast development time such as ruby. While ruby fits well for prototyping purposes of startups, banks and huge companies use enterprise solutions like Java, which has slower dev time, but instead comes with many rules. It's "business best practice".

No bugs, actually they're features.

I graduated college, went away to teach English in another country for a year, and came back to the United States with a nice amount of student loans knocking at my door. I applied to all jobs across the board pertaining to my degree and no one replied. I decided to go into another realm: programming, which I had taught myself at a young age (12). I applied and managed to get the job. I had some training to do in order to catch up, but I was paid starting at $10/hr. After my training was complete, my pay was bumped up to $12/hr.

At that rate, you know how long a $40,000 student loan was going to pay off? I needed to do additional work to catch up. Basically, I designed and developed Auto-Collision software, from adding new things to mostly fixing up old bugs & errors, etc. Severely underpaid. I loved the job but my boss made my time there hell. He was a micromanager. He taught me a bit of logic, but really didn't do me any favors.

During my time there, after work, I'd go home and search Craigslist for people looking for web designers and managed to make some good money that way. About a year and a half later, I had already gotten deep into web design and development, which I loved. It wasn't enough to quit my day job, but it was enough to give me the confidence to start looking for other jobs in that area.

To make a longer story short, I ended up leaving, but before I left, my boss had offered me double my salary. So I would've been making $24/hr. I turned it down because with that offer.. everything came with a catch. If I made any errors or anything like that, he would've thrown it up in my face: "What am I paying you this amount for?" etc. So I couldn't deal with it and ended up settling for less. More than what I was making, but far less than the double salary. I didn't care because I managed to accumulate a lot of experience within the next 5 years.

I ended up getting 2 web design jobs at the same time (one from 8 AM to 5 PM and another from 6 PM to 2 AM) and did that for 2 years before getting laid off by the former, and now I currently work the latter. About 2 years later, I would end up making the salary he offered me, plus benefits and a ton of vacation time and the freedom to not have a "micro-manager" constantly hovering over me.

You can read more about it here: http://confessionsoftheprofessions.com/the-opportunity

Anyways, the point is: Sometimes you do have to stick it out for a time, but take it all as a learning experience until you can quit the job and get one you love. If you aren't happy doing something, than find something that makes you happy. It makes your life totally worth living.

I not only still work at my day job, but I run a freelance business, a software company, and several side projects, and although I find myself working 15+ hour days sometimes, I love it and I don't think I'd have it any other way. If you take everything you learned and you apply it, you can make an excellent living, but turn that living into something you want to be doing everyday.

Also: The more you know, the more valuable you are. If you've gone 6 months to a year and the company has grown and yet you've seen no "returns on your investment", than start looking for another job, but don't be afraid to ask them to consider "better benefits" for you or at least a raise.

Had windows phone, loved OS. People complained it was a lack of apps because there was a lack of apps. Also there was lots of crap in the app store and it was hard to differentiate good and bad apps.