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Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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post #204

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You’re thinking of the actual budget for a position not what a company could in theory budget. A small businesses owner who pays themselves whatever is left over after expenses doesn’t care about what other companies pay, the company only has so much money. Apple could increase salaries up to the point where they make zero profit, but the goal is profit maximization not salary maximization. It’s fundamentally the att…

Small business owners aren't the target market and are likely to not use such a product. Hiring well is hard - it's not super obvious if you aren't paying enough or your company isn't desirable or what else is the cause of not seeing good candidates. While in theory you could solve that by wildly overpaying, in practice you have to be able to justify your decision to higher ups in most cases, and pointing to a tool t…

> justify your decision to higher ups

What you just described is speeding up a process not increasing wages.

If a company simply isn’t offering enough money they aren’t going to get the workers they want. Which then forces the company to either go without or increase their compensation, just like how every other market works.

> your company isn't desirable or what else is the cause

The clearest example of this principle is companies eventually learn they need to pay the asshole tax. Market research may suggest X is a reasonable number, but they simply don’t get enough people without paying appropriately.

> will drive salaries higher

It will drive some offers higher and get workers sooner, but an offer not accepted is a salary that doesn’t exist.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#392

I have never heard of Pave before, but this just sounds like yet another copy of Equifax's "The Work Number" [1]. Basically, HR at many companies gives your salary and employment history data to Equifax, who then sells access to the information to certain parties with supposed need to access it, including potential and current employers and creditors. This report is likely one of the most invasive consumer files out…

“I’m an employee looking for my data”. Links to https://employees.theworknumber.com/

Spits out 403 error forbidden

Gosh, that’s awful.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#393

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The security minded can move to a gated community, which are all over the place and have existed for a very long time, and don't require moving to Singapore or Australia to live in one.

I can't see a gated community being much of a deterrent to a gang of kidnappers sophisticated enough to use these services to find potential victims. Maybe if the gate has armed guards and a strict "no tailgating" policy with ID checks etc.

There's a whole industry for protection of high net worth individuals. The financially minded ex military special forces folks can often find lucrative jobs on places like silent professionals earning on the order of 500-1500$ a DAY for close protection of the kinds of folks who would be targeted for this stuff.

Example: https://silentprofessionals.org/jobs/protection-agents-liais...

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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post #271

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> your data Is it yours though? The employer could probably argue that it's theirs. Devil's advocate: I think it's widely understood that entities can be transparent with their data if they choose, other than NDA scenarios.

In a market-first values system, where we rely on the labor market to largely self-regulate given the promises that free market idealogues & corporate actors made us, colluding on wages like this should lead to scorched-earth retribution from the FTC. Not "Oh hey there, you're not allowed to do that, stop that", but "We are diluting your stock by a quarter and distributing it to your workers" type shit.

> given the promises that free market idealogues & corporate actors made us

I find it amusing/annoying how many Free™-market boosterism messages are actually contradictory "heads I win, tails you lose" constructs. For example:

1. "Regulations are bad, because left to its own devices the market will be optimally-efficient, once everyone has perfect-information about all the prices and deals other people are making."

2. "Regulations are bad, because cartels and collusion will be destroyed by defectors who use their freedom to make secret prices and hidden deals."

Sometimes these arguments come from the same people, but even when they don't they represent two wildly incompatible ideas of what "the free market" really is.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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But why not just pay by card, that must be even easier?

I'm not going to pay by card for a huge purchase, and have the card company take 3% off the top. That's just a dick move when you can just write a check that does the same thing.

Why would I care if I'm not paying for the surcharge and I get a rebate from it? I've had a few large purchases recently where a credit card was the norm. If the business prefers a check that's fine too. I'm not going to push it. It's just business. A lot of businesses want my money and are happy to take a credit card number which is often simpler for them. I don't know their costs associated with handling checks and it's not really my concern.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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post #164

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What's the point of getting this data if it's not to pay less money? What is the value add?

I routinely get emails like "we'd like to hire you as our CTO, and because we just got a bunch of VC money, we're prepared to offer you a generous comp package of up to $90,000 salary plus .05% equity! Must be onsite in San Francisco." If they were aware of market rates, they could avoid making potential candidates laugh at them.

> plus .05% equity!

"Dilution? What? Stop worrying about made-up words and let's go change the world!"

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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Anyone else remember when HackerNews had an adventurous libertarian ethos before the school marms infested the place with irrelevant and low vibrational commentary?

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>If that actually is libertarian ethos, then it sucks.

It is.

Also, when I asked whether they would have the same libertarian attitude regarding a crowd-sourced app to keep tabs on people with net worth over $1B, my modest proposal[1] got flagged and hidden -

- unlike the insulting comment that called the users who have an issue with Pave "schoolmarms" that "infest" the place, like pests to be exterminated.

Go figure.

Hypocrisy is OK on HN, calling it out is not.

[1] as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

#398

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Then I want 99th.

Considering the median tech startup employee is already above average, I think the 99th percentile, and above, really only belongs to literal, bonafide, geniuses…

Is this true? I look at jobs on well found and most startups pay worse salaries than what I was making at insurance companies. Not too mention the worse benefits that they appear to offer as well.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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post #388

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I routinely get emails like "we'd like to hire you as our CTO, and because we just got a bunch of VC money, we're prepared to offer you a generous comp package of up to $90,000 salary plus .05% equity! Must be onsite in San Francisco." If they were aware of market rates, they could avoid making potential candidates laugh at them.

Founding engineer is the biggest ripoff in tech.

But... but... they already did the hard part of coming up with the idea! All you have to do is code it.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Pave legal?

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post #396

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I routinely get emails like "we'd like to hire you as our CTO, and because we just got a bunch of VC money, we're prepared to offer you a generous comp package of up to $90,000 salary plus .05% equity! Must be onsite in San Francisco." If they were aware of market rates, they could avoid making potential candidates laugh at them.

> plus .05% equity! "Dilution? What? Stop worrying about made-up words and let's go change the world! "

That actually made me shudder.
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