I love Firefox. It's depressing to see the hate they're getting in the comments.
Perhaps if they don't want "hate" they should perform the most basic of regression tests before shipping updates.
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Many people wouldn't otherwise sign up for a VPN, and there are a lot of shady VPNs out there. Mozilla can use the feature to help reduce dependence on a company that has been trying to destroy them for years (Google), and help non-tech people get set up with a VPN.
Google is the largest financial supporters in Firefox, they buy Firefox search bar. If they wanted to destroy Firefox, they’d already do it by simply cutting that revenue stream.
They can't do it like that directly, but they have been undercutting Firefox for years. For a long time when you searched Google from Firefox it would tell you to download Chrome.
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I don't understand the anger about the VPN. I think it's a good idea. Reader mode is useful, especially if you block a lot of CSS and JavaScript by default with uMatrix. I don't know why people use DOH anyway. It bypasses your hosts file, so you can't block things as easily.
> Reader mode Pretty sure they meant Pocket when referring to a “bookmark reader”.
It literally takes only two clicks to remove Pocket from the toolbar. People need to stop complaining about little things like that.
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I don't understand the anger about the VPN. I think it's a good idea. Reader mode is useful, especially if you block a lot of CSS and JavaScript by default with uMatrix. I don't know why people use DOH anyway. It bypasses your hosts file, so you can't block things as easily.
It nags me all the time when opening a new container. I couldn't care less if it was a feature that I had to click away once, but it is really pushing and in your face.
So people should push Mozilla to add an about:config flag to turn it off, if it doesn't already exist. The solution is much simpler than demanding that Mozilla completely stop trying to find a way to reduce dependence on Google.
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I don't understand the anger about the VPN. I think it's a good idea. Reader mode is useful, especially if you block a lot of CSS and JavaScript by default with uMatrix. I don't know why people use DOH anyway. It bypasses your hosts file, so you can't block things as easily.
>It bypasses your hosts file It doesn't bypass my hosts file... I have a couple of locally hosted websites that I have rules in /etc/hosts for, and Firefox resolves them correctly even with DOH enabled.
When DOH was first enabled, it bypassed all the blocked domains my hosts file (Ubuntu). I don't know if it has changed.
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#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand the anger about the VPN. I think it's a good idea. Reader mode is useful, especially if you block a lot of CSS and JavaScript by default with uMatrix. I don't know why people use DOH anyway. It bypasses your hosts file, so you can't block things as easily.
> I don't know why people use DOH anyway. To make it slightly less visible what websites do you visit. To bypass DNS-based censoring some ISPs deploy as some governments require them.
That's what the VPN is for. People keep saying that they want to donate money to Mozilla. You can sign up for Firefox Private Network or Mozilla VPN for much better results than DOH, and give them a little money at the same time.
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Yeah, the alternative is running a system with a ton of outdated software, with known bugs and active exploits while casually surfing the "oh-so-cosy-and-entirely-harmless" WWW... The goal is not to ostracize automatic updates, but to have faster fixes. Or to separate security updates from feature updates, but I think this ship has long sailed for modern browsers.
> Or to separate security updates from feature updates, but I think this ship has long sailed for modern browsers. That would be my preferred solution. But yes, as you say, that ship has sailed. No reason why it couldn't sail back though.
> No reason why it couldn't sail back though
Maintenance cost.
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#399This happened to me and a co-worker too, and I could resolve it with a `sudo killall firefox` and re-starting it. In contrast to all the heat from many of the comments here, I'll say this: shit happens to any company. My trust in Mozilla is not (yet) shaken just because a bug made it into production, even if that bug made it there due to bad decisions or even (hopefully temporary) lack of vision. I, for one, am not c…
I would guess it's an absolute disaster for Firefox. While it's not going to make me switch from FF to Chrome personally, this issue is big enough for me to not install Firefox on non-techies computers. I bet a significant amount of people will permanently switch away from Firefox due to this too.
> this issue is big enough for me to not install Firefox on non-techies computers
Why? Whatever you install is likely to have issues with similar impact.
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#400Aaaand another bunch of users lost to Chrome ... I've only spoken with 2 other people and they were not as lucky as me to have read about the fix on this very comment page, so they were "forced" to use Chrome/ium to be able to access the web. Not sure they will switch back to Firefox. I am surely not switching to Chromium based browsers, but it is time again for me to consider switching to Icecat or so instead after…
> Aaaand another bunch of users lost to Chrome ...
If that's true, it's good news for Firefox. If that's all it takes to lose 0.05% of users, then when Chrome has a bug and loses 0.05% of users to Firefox, there will be a large net gain.