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Re: Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same as before?

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Despite all the praise it got, I really struggled with that book. I hated it so much that I had to check if I didn't pick the wrong book by accident. I found that it's a very polarising book. It's life-changing for some, and garbage for others. There were a few insightful passages, but most of the book was pretentious rambling. It was difficult to understand what the author was even trying to say, with his head so fa…

> It's life-changing for some, and garbage for others. I feel this way about Catcher in the Rye. My English teacher recommended it to me obviously on the basis that I was an angsty teenager that would identify with Holden Caulfield. But what a pile of crap it is. I still want back the hours I wasted on reading that stupid boring book.

It's a loathsome book for some people, even angsty teenagers, because not all of them are angsty for the same reasons.

I didn't enjoy it either when I was reading it, but later appreciated that it depicted a certain kind of angst— that of someone leaving childhood for adulthood, feeling anxious and threatened by this shift, and wishing to just remain as the most adult-like child (the "catcher in the rye" that gives the book its title) instead of having to go through that awkward period of being the most childlike adult.

Under that reading, it's much less irritating, because Holden isn't supposed to be valorized, just understood.

Re: Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same as before?

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Super serious question. Of the 278 comments that have been posted to this thread in the last 8 hours, has anyone suggested a single female author? I looked for a while and saw exactly zero. Isn’t that kind of notable?

Either everyone on HN is a sexist, or a less reasonable explanation: women are just not interested in writing books on mind bending concepts. Obviously, everyone here is a sexist. Wake up people! Stop oppressing women! There was an Ask HN topic on finding technical books on nursing and some idiot pointed out to me that all the authors were women. He said as if people were being sexist. Obviously there aren't as many…

In the throes of your rant at someone making a perfectly accurate observation you seemed to have made a false dichotomy.

The options aren't just that everyone on HN is sexist nor that women aren't interested in writing books on mind bending concepts, but another reason, as has been mentioned above, is that women for most of human history weren't allowed to write. From there it becomes rather obvious why there are less woman authors at all!

Also, check out some of Ursula Le Guin's work if you are into sci-fi.

Re: Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same as before?

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Lots of those stories come off as more wanky and esoteric than they're supposed to. That one... maybe not, but most are supposed to be approached with a lot more context than a Westerner with little exposure to Buddhism (and especially the history of and other stories about the monks involved in the stories) is likely to have, going in cold. They're not supposed to be nearly as confusing as they can seem (or, at leas…

That sounds a lot like a post-facto apologist slant. Sure you can 'explain them' but everybody hears them where their mind is at now. And for most folks, especially junior monks just starting out, they might sound wanky too.

> That sounds a lot like a post-facto apologist slant.

Uh, no. Lots of them definitely rely on knowing who the monks are, their reputations, and their relationships to one another. And other facts about the world in which they occur ("Three pounds of flax!"). One is not even going to get at the interesting parts of them without that. Lots will come off as gibberish or as confusing in ways that they are not intended to be without that context.

> Sure you can 'explain them' but everybody hears them where their mind is at now.

It's not about explaining them, it's about the coming-to-terms phase of reading from How to Read a Book. Even smart folks would probably have a bad time approaching a graduate-level math text book without a little context so they get where it's even starting from and understand the references and vocabulary that the book was written assuming the reader would already have.

Re: Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same as before?

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Most likely no one is going to like this post. My father was a physicist and he had a large library of books. Growing up all of these books were over my head but I tried reading all of them. The more difficult the book the more determined I became to read and understand the content. I found this to be mind expanding. I began a life long quest to read the most difficult books and texts I could find. It sometimes takes several passes. Some things didn't make sense until years later. I recommend reading outside your comfort zone and above your comprehension. The book doesn't expand your mind it's the reading process and thinking about the reading that forces the mind to expand. I have done this for 50 years and I still do it every day It's not one book but the sum total of books that expand your mind. Read with curiosity and an unquenchable thirst for knowledge. A man who reads one book lives once life while a man who reads a thousand books life experiences thousands of lives. I hope these word aren't wasted. I thought my fathers library was the library of Alexandria and it was until I got a library card.

Re: Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same as before?

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Super serious question. Of the 278 comments that have been posted to this thread in the last 8 hours, has anyone suggested a single female author? I looked for a while and saw exactly zero. Isn’t that kind of notable?

Don’t Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor. While a lot of people treat it as a dog training book, her work in behavioral psychology and training has much broader applications. It can really change the way you approach interpersonal relationships.

Great mention, if you work with animals at all it is a mandatory read.

Re: Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same as before?

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“The Autobiography of Malcolm X” was maybe the most important book I read as a teenager, and I still go back and reread it every so often. It should be required reading. For fiction, “Blood Meridian” by Cormac McCarthy, “100 Years of Solitude” by Marquez, and “Song of Solomon” by Toni Morrison (or really anything by Toni Morrison, it’s all amazing). Also, Thich Nhat Hanh’s translation of the Heart Sutra, “The Other S…

I'll second “The Autobiography of Malcolm X”. I read it in high school and it blew my mind. Must read.

Re: Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same as before?

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Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon. I feel like it left me subtly but permanently changed, as if seeing through new differently tinted lenses.

I haven't read that one, but I read Mason & Dixon when I was in college. I knew just enough history and scientific trivia to know that Pynchon was playing a lot of highly intelligent games and to realize that a lot was flying over my head, but not enough to really appreciate the book. Would be interesting to revisit it again.
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