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Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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post #330

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> the super-illegal (but "grey morality") thing he did I'm curious to know what he did given your description. I can think of examples of the reverse: quasi-illegal, but quite immoral.

I can think of stuff like hacking/leaking data about bad things, like a Snowden/Manning/Assange scenario. Or working on/around piracy (cracking software to bypass license checks, hosting a torrent website, etc.).

> I can think of stuff like hacking/leaking data about bad things, l

I wasn't thinking in that direction, but that totally makes sense.

Thanks.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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post #273

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The funny part about your third paragraph, is that if someone took you up on this "bad employee database," it would look a lot like China's Social Credit System. Which is probably not desirable. (And maybe the other funny part would be just how many of the public employees who would otherwise be in charge of administering this database, would end up being in it!) Nonetheless I agree with the point you seem to be maki…

Even funnier is that there is no Social Credit System in China, not the way you think there is. There is no record of small offences by the billion and a half Chinese, we're barely even able to maintain proper records in general, let alone useless fluff like a score for each citizen. I invite you to read this: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/15/china-social-credit-sys... I quote: "Contrary to common belief, the cit…

My understanding was that financial info was the primary thrust of it these days, i.e. what we call plain old credit scores, without the "social." But I remember 15 or 20 years ago when they announced their ambitions for it, and I just realized, that announcement, and every panicky headline back then, right down to even the soberest Wikipedia article now, all tend to speak of the system in terms of its ambitions. So that's a good perspective, thanks.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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> [edit: after reading felonintexas let me update this. If someone point blank asks, tell them. Don’t volunteer this information. There is nothing to be gained] My Fraternity's cook, when I was in college, was a former fellon. He worked for us for a few years before he told me about his background. I don't remember the details, but we had a conversation where he mentioned he had experience in IT. Eventually he very b…

Why did you let the conversation drift around to “if you were making big bucks why are you cooking for us now”? That’s a remarkably rude thing to ask for absolutely no reason other than ego.

(I don't get why the post was dead, so I vouched for it.)

He was talking about making good money in IT, so I asked why he didn't continue working in IT. (At least that's how I remember a conversation from over 20 years ago.)

He was originally talking about playing computer games on early computers, so I thought I'd get a story about why he left tech. (IE, laid off and had to change careers, couldn't keep up with changes, didn't like the stress.) I was quite surprised that he was a felon.

He really didn't tell me much about what he did, either. I don't want to repeat much here, other than to say he got greedy.

At a high level I don't think there's anything wrong with what he did. There's plenty of legal activities that are "grey" morally: Oil companies, tobacco companies, investments (stock, 401ks,) where ordinary people don't realize the nasty things the companies they own do...

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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So true, that really is exactly what I’m saying by saying you shouldn’t be allowed to dig up whether someone has been convicted of a crime in the past when hiring them. If that‘s playing god, then slap a robe on me and call me father buddy. I mean the state is the one providing you with all that juicy hiring information in the first place. Perhaps this gives you an unfair advantage in the free market, and I’m just a…

that's right! Time to auction off Yosemite and put a roller coaster over Old Faithful

s/Yosemite/Yellowstone

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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I know this is a controversial view, but I think employers should not be allowed to run background checks unless important for the role (government work, access to children, etc) and where it is important for the role it should only return the criminal convictions that might be relevant to the role. If you were arrested for robbery when you were younger perhaps because you had a drug addiction then that person should…

I think crimes of violence are relevant to any/all roles. I don’t want to hire or work with anyone who has ever at any point in their life used violence to attempt to solve problems. I am fine with a percentage of human beings being blacklisted permanently from access to much of society. Violence has no place in our world. I won’t even hire former cops. It is, unfortunately, illegal in the US to explicitly avoid hiri…

There are many forms of violence against your fellow human beings. Not all of them are physical.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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I've seen so much vitriol from the pronoun army - the ones that don't need them but want to make it inclusive for the people that do need them - that I really wonder if its optional in the organizations/applications that ask like "oh he didn't write a pronoun at all! he's not a culture fit!" we've decided to move forward with other candidates that more closely align with our qualifications

> "oh he didn't write a pronoun at all! he's not a culture fit!" I find this particularly sad because of how harmful it is to trans people, especially trans people who are not "out". Forcing such people to specify a pronoun is forcing them to choose between "out yourself to everyone" and "disavow your own identity", and feels just awful. Not to mention people in earlier stages of understanding their own gender, who m…

Therein lies the risk of adopting a fictional identity based on a nonsensical and unrealistic belief system.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Tldr; I made a possible career ending move (see p.p.s below main comment), here's what I did to fix it and end up in successful employment again. Not the same but I was sacked during a probation period because I refused to give my proof of ID details a 5th time to the HR, the same 3 pieces requested multiple times or lost. I told them to reuse those I uploaded a day or two earlier. HR dismissed me after a single warn…

> Not the same but I was sacked during a probation period because I refused to give my proof of ID details a 5th time to the HR, the same 3 pieces requested multiple times or lost. I told them to reuse those I uploaded a day or two earlier. That's no way to survive a career (as you found out). That's the kind of thing you use to build team camaraderie, after the 3rd time or so start posting about it in the team chat,…

Yeah the ID was kind of personal at the time, identity fraud was at the forefront of my mind because HR had no idea where the uploads that they had confirmed, and I'd seen emails for, had gone. One partial loss initially I could accept, two was a bit much, three started taking the piss, fourth was the last and final, and I stated I was now uncomfortable giving - which they fluffed again. Honestly that level of incompetence sounds like a downright lie, but people like that actually manage to keep a job, probably by firing the likes of me that point out their errors.

Not really sour grapes btw, without going into depth that would giveaway the employer, the 3 devsnthat I worked with had been unable to implement functionality that had been invented within the last 5-10 years because they never did their own research or keep up with trends. As an analogy think akin to them only ever using traditional SQL DBs, then being shown a massive serverless distributed db that didn't use SQL, that required software redesign for eventual consistency, couldn't do ACID transactions, all needed for a small high value, short deadline project, and you get some idea of the scope of change and steep learning curve they struggled to address. I'll restate this is not the actual problem, but the scope and impact is of the same size.

If that's sour grapes by your definition then ok :), but for me for BE devs around my own age, it seems a little underwhelming.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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Nov’22 is very recent, and won’t be your experience forever. It’s been a little over 20 years for me. Now, I get background checked every year. It doesn’t show. Initially I worked in food service and on phpfreelancer. I spun that into consistent consulting work until a client offered a full time position (less than 15 people, no background checks). As the years rolled by, I kept moving around. Eventually I tried at a…

> I do NOT recommend being upfront, unless there are no formal procedures in place and being honest actually helps. We are talking about your ability to feed and shelter yourself, so give up on the “honesty” thing. I have -never- been able to provide for myself after having been “honest”. [edit: after reading felonintexas let me update this. If someone point blank asks, tell them. Don’t volunteer this information. Th…

This is the rational thing to do but it's extremely depressing. I want to make friends, get to know people.

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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post #49

Nov’22 is very recent, and won’t be your experience forever. It’s been a little over 20 years for me. Now, I get background checked every year. It doesn’t show. Initially I worked in food service and on phpfreelancer. I spun that into consistent consulting work until a client offered a full time position (less than 15 people, no background checks). As the years rolled by, I kept moving around. Eventually I tried at a…

Not a felon but grew up with everyone telling us that colleges would search our social media etc. A friend told me that the 2 important rules to surviving corporate environments is the following in no specific order. 1. Never lie to someone, and own what you did. Wordsmithing is a gray area but never lie, the reputation of not being truthful can follow you for decades. 2. Never volunteer information that isn't specif…

Best Advice, Honestly,

Don't tell when its not asked

Re: Ask HN: Any felons successfully found IT work post-release?

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People underestimate how easily they can travel and how it’s really just a privilege. You end up on a no fly list or become a convicted felon and that’s it, your life of travel is snuffed out. I really feel for the OP.

This is not necessarily true. Speaking from experience as a DUI felon (no other charges) I have traveled to multiple countries in the EU, UK, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico and Dominican Republic. The only country that has denied me entry is Canada. This likely depends on the felony of course. A DUI in which no harm/damage occurred is probably the lesser of the felonies.

In some of those countries isn’t DUI basically culturally acceptable?
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