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Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Let me give you a perspective of why people might legitimately not want to do camera during interviews. A little about me: I've started doing remote work 15 years ago - long, long before the modern remote push. I've been coding for 30 years; I started with 8 bit micros; I can probably work with any technology and any deep problem you throw at me; I've led and launched projects worth billions of dollars. I prefer to w…

I think this is an important perspective and worth remembering.

One of the beautiful things about code and about tech is (used to be?) the leveling of the playing field down to simply ability. In my opinion, it should not matter whether a person is ugly, fat, skinny, fit, short, tall, old, young, gay, straight, nonbinary, trans, cis, what color their skin is from, etc., if they can get the work done and get along with their teammates.

I feel that we have lost something valuable in the remote working world when we demand that everyone turn on their video cameras at all time; we have lost the ability to appreciate people for solely for their ideas and their accomplishments and their aptitudes. We make it about the way they look, which has so many negative ramifications associated with it.

I'm not disabled beyond needing to wear glasses, but for more than a decade I had low self esteem and was unhappy with my appearance. I was ashamed of how I looked. I felt really bad about it. Today, I am quite happy to get on camera and as a tangent to whatever activity I'm doing show off my fitness. But I will never forget that I used to hate it, and it made me feel very uncomfortable. I believe that appearance and bias can reduce opportunity for those with the requisite ability.

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I was hired as the engineering lead earlier this year at a company. It was packed full of “senior” engineers who wrote nested loops, each screen was a monolithic program with no abstractions etc. as I let them go we hired two more (we have a consultant that hired me and has been interviewing them) who were the exact same. Senior engineer, 15 years experience, etc. Yes all of them appear to work a couple hours of day…

> who wrote nested loops What is this supposed to be the connotation here?

That there’s almost always a more optimal solution than a triple nested loop in a useEffect. Any senior level engineer should be architecting said optimal solutions

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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For engineering, screen them with a verbal technical questionaire over zoom with camera before the actual interview. This would replace the "phone screen".

It's disrespectful to the candidates, you will lose valuable ones just because of that.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Russia is partly asia as well.

Given the diversity and size of Asia, and the fact that it has the majority of the world's population, describing somebody as "Asian" is rather vague.

It's just shorthand in an old-fashioned slightly racist/ignorant way - they can't say "Yellow" or "Oriental" any more, and want a word to parallel "White" and "Black."

I look forward to a post-racial future...

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We had third party recruiters sit/listen in on interviews with their clients. Those recruiters would then use that knowledge to feed answers to the next candidate, usually during the interview.

Those who don't sit in ask the candidates what they were asked for anyway.

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I think that's why the most prestige for top universities is ascribed to those in the undergrad. > MSc in Software Engineering I think "Software engineering" degrees tend to be a strong signal: didn't study CS.

Yeah exactly. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with SE degrees, they can be as rigorous on CS topics while swapping later maths modules for engineering modules. I ended up taking an MSc in CS fwiw.

I believe high quality programs exist, but I bet most that use the name (masters in particular) aren't.

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What is a US rate? I get $120NZD per hr from local companies

Is that for a salaried position? If so well done!

No, that's not market rate for salary. I thought we were talking about contracts.

Salary seems to be around 150k +- 50k

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

#388

Let me give you a perspective of why people might legitimately not want to do camera during interviews. A little about me: I've started doing remote work 15 years ago - long, long before the modern remote push. I've been coding for 30 years; I started with 8 bit micros; I can probably work with any technology and any deep problem you throw at me; I've led and launched projects worth billions of dollars. I prefer to w…

If a company is going to discriminate against me, I want it done early, before both parties waste their time. Interviews are a two way street.

It's not as easy as that. First of all, you might be discriminated against by the HR jockstrap, whereas the people you'd be actually working with wouldn't be suffering from such delusions. You'll likely never hear from HR again after accepting the job.

Second of all, it's not like you "can vote with your feet". If you're being discriminated against, it's not going to be one place. It's endemic - it happens, for better or worse, "everywhere", especially if you have many characteristics which are targeted, like many people do.

Third of all, not having cameras on removes to a large extent the worry that you _have_ been discriminated against, which is a large part of the stress for a person who does get discriminated against with some frequency.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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post #162

For engineering, screen them with a verbal technical questionaire over zoom with camera before the actual interview. This would replace the "phone screen".

It's disrespectful to the candidates, you will lose valuable ones just because of that.

I don't get it, why? Screening questions and zoom interviews are very common.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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yeah, bogus... proper time keeping is key to being a contractor. If you are going to work multiple (which happens when you're brought on as an expert but there's spirts of work between lapses of down time) then you can't be doing one while on the clock for the other. Wage theft.

Not necessarily. It depends on the requirement. If I've completed or don't have any real work, but am expected to be around, then that's work. It's only if the second contract breaches the first or creates a conflict, and that's not inherent in time. Edit: Misread your comment. If you're billing for specific and granular blocks of time, and doubling that up, then ya wage theft. But if you're doing that and also expec…

If you're a company and you see github commits through firewall, why take the chance unless he's really really good?
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