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Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I want to like the carbon but the lack of AMD options and a hard cap of 16 GB of RAM keep me away.

Not sure where you get that RAM cap from. I have 32GB in my X1.

Vendor limitation maybe? Some manufacturers just don't want to certify configurations above X GB but if you install the DIMMs they will boot.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I’ve ended up buying multiple machines the last several years.

One thing I’ve noticed is that nearly every damn laptop I’ve had the past few years has power management issues.

Usually it’s some issue waking from a sleep state, but I had a modern Thinkpad just give up and die recently after months of continuing getting stuck in sleep states.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I cannot really accept a MacBook because it's a rental product where Apple has complete control over your machine. Used a Dell XPS for a while, it's a fairly good experience with Linux (Ubuntu and Manjaro), but the build quality is pretty bad. Once it fell backwards from a coffee table and shorted the main board from the hit. I had to resolder a few SMD parts, was not fun. I also hit the corner or the "metal" lid whi…

> I cannot really accept a MacBook because it's a rental product where Apple has complete control over your machine.

What are the specific things that you cannot do with your MacBook that are a deal breaker for you?

I'm curious because I was previously a "hard-core" i3wm/Ubuntu user, but after switching to Mac/MacOS, the limitations (not running i3wm, pretty much) were not deal breakers for me, especially in light of the quality of the battery/microphone/speaker/bluetooth as a remote worker.

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Why does nobody care about the janky Bluetooth mouse that's only janky on macOS? Why does nobody care that my USB 2.0 ports on my external USB-C docks die in about 20 minutes necessitating a reboot--again, only on macOS (and only on newer macOS versions--old ones work fine). How many years did it take Apple to (sort of) fix their shittastic keyboards? How garbagey is Xcode relative to any other IDE nowadays? I can go…

macOS for many years now has been inferior to Windows, IMO.

Not in the slightest.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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Just for the record, may I ask you when did you try last? Libinput which wayland uses heavily improves on the previous drivers, but I agree it still won’t be as good as osx’s.

It was last summer. I bought one of the recommended laptops for running Linux just for the purpose of switching. It sucked hard. (rant following so please don't read the rest if you don't like ranting about linux desktop) I could probably live with trackpad not being great. But the sound stack, bluetooth stack, driving displays with different dpi (hidpi and non-hidpi) etc. are all terrible. Managing multiple displays…

If you ever would give it another try, I highly recommend sway, which is almost completely compatible with i3’s config and basically a wayland clone of that. Wayland makes multiple displays with different DPIs possible and basically a huge, much needed revamp on all the technical debt that accumulated in a multi-decade old graphics stack.

Similarly, pipewire is pretty much stable now, which fixes both the sound and bluetooth stack singlehandedly.

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I may be an outlier, but for me, the problem with non-mac machines is that they seem just careless. Steve jobs famously said "The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste.", and this seems true to me for almost all hardware manufacturers, and to a larger degree still for software. Why does nobody care about creaking plastic? About sticky-feeling texture? About uneven weight distribution? About the sound…

Jewellery is a great analogy imo. Apple is a jewellery company imo. They sell expensive, shiny, conspicuous consumption items without practical use. I was shocked when I found out that macs are popular among people who actually work with computers and even make software. It will never cease to shock me. The only explanation I can think of is that this is a USA social class thing. In the USA the upper classes have App…

> They sell expensive, shiny, conspicuous consumption items without practical use

Sorry, but I don‘t believe anyone who says this while looking at a modern day M1 macbook. I have the pleasure to own one for software development and graphical imagery work and frankly it‘s the single best computer I have ever used. No windows or linux machine comes close. It‘s a unix system where everything just works out of the box.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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Jewellery is a great analogy imo. Apple is a jewellery company imo. They sell expensive, shiny, conspicuous consumption items without practical use. I was shocked when I found out that macs are popular among people who actually work with computers and even make software. It will never cease to shock me. The only explanation I can think of is that this is a USA social class thing. In the USA the upper classes have App…

>> I was shocked when I found out that macs are popular among people who actually work with computers and even make software. It will never cease to shock me. Yeah, wtf. It's not like people that build software for a living know anything about computers right?!

Yea, a unix based system with a good Desktop manager in a powerhouse of a laptop. Horrible, right?

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I think it is the factors in the world today that has drastically reduced quality of all system, including macs, I'll grand to a far less degree, but I use to be able to buy apple hardware and I just didn't worry about returns or manufacturing faults. But in the last 3 years, we've seen endless failings, across all brands, Dells and their shit batteries and docks, Lenovo and their cheap build quality, faulty keyboard…

The Wintel alliance is to blame for the bad state of laptops. First, Windows shit the bed with Windows 8 and the material design and tiles and two desktops. It still ... REALLY ... sucks. And they didn't care, why would they? The money STILL came in. Secondly, Intel sat on its laurels, and even worse, accepted a supplicative role to Microsoft in the Wintel "alliace". Intel absolutely should have pushed Linux on the d…

Sorry man, I really don't think this has anything to do with the reduction of the quality of hardware.

Until Linux gets a multi billion dollar company backing it as a desktop OS and willing to pay what Microsoft is for their backing, it would make no sense for them to do otherwise.

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It was last summer. I bought one of the recommended laptops for running Linux just for the purpose of switching. It sucked hard. (rant following so please don't read the rest if you don't like ranting about linux desktop) I could probably live with trackpad not being great. But the sound stack, bluetooth stack, driving displays with different dpi (hidpi and non-hidpi) etc. are all terrible. Managing multiple displays…

If you ever would give it another try, I highly recommend sway, which is almost completely compatible with i3’s config and basically a wayland clone of that. Wayland makes multiple displays with different DPIs possible and basically a huge, much needed revamp on all the technical debt that accumulated in a multi-decade old graphics stack. Similarly, pipewire is pretty much stable now, which fixes both the sound and b…

Thank you. My day to day work involves sharing screen on calls a lot. While I know it's possible to some extent with pipewire, it is still too hacky and too much effort for a simple(from an end-user standpoint) task. Afaik it still doesn't work with Zoom at all. But I am in general excited about Wayland.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I may be an outlier, but for me, the problem with non-mac machines is that they seem just careless. Steve jobs famously said "The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste.", and this seems true to me for almost all hardware manufacturers, and to a larger degree still for software. Why does nobody care about creaking plastic? About sticky-feeling texture? About uneven weight distribution? About the sound…

Because every other computer manufacturer realized they can save on the BOM cost by shoving the whole computer under plastic gingerbread. That weight distribution? It'd cost way too much to redesign the product correctly. Flickering redraws? We don't make the OS, we just sell Microsoft's. Occasionally you do see PC OEMs that try for taste in the Windows ecosystem. Sony did that with their VAIO laptops, with the somew…

Jobs ran NeXTStep on a Sony Vaio laptop for a while when he came back to Apple. That was before MacOS X was a thing, which is based on NeXTStep.
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