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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

carlosjobim wrote: post #366
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #296

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By spiritual practice, do you mean something like studying the Skanda's or the 5 Aggregates? Or do you mean to open myself to the love of our lord and savior? It does make a difference in how you approach the world if your spiritual practice encourages insight, or if you are blinded by faith in a spiritual entity that is directing you.

A powerful spiritual practice like challenging your own limits and fears to the maximum, or meditation and fasting, or immersing yourself in a completely different environment from what you are familiar with until you know it truly. Or if these things sound too abstract, to take a strong dose of psychedelics alone or with others. Religious texts are something that can be interesting after sensing some spirituality, b…

It's just that you said I was sad because I don't think their is a soul. Because, I assume, you think that there is some mystical entity that is directing the body that is you, and a spiritual practice would lead to that conclusion. The soul would be some essence that is beyond the physical world, (a being from alternate universe maybe?). But then you speak of meditation and fasting. I would say that meditating has been what lead me here. Meditating, examining, observing ones own mind helps one see that there is no self, thoughts arise on their own. There is no core, non-detectable, mystical soul.

We give our minds too much credit, we keep arguing if AI is, or can ever be, conscious, without ever defining what consciousness is. I would say that humans aren't conscious in the way we think we are. There is no free will, we don't decide what we think about, if you think about thinking, where does the first thought come from?

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by dang »

joxel wrote: post #62
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by ForestCritter »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #371
carlosjobim wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A powerful spiritual practice like challenging your own limits and fears to the maximum, or meditation and fasting, or immersing yourself in a completely different environment from what you are familiar with until you know it truly. Or if these things sound too abstract, to take a strong dose of psychedelics alone or with others. Religious texts are something that can be interesting after sensing some spirituality, b…

It's just that you said I was sad because I don't think their is a soul. Because, I assume, you think that there is some mystical entity that is directing the body that is you, and a spiritual practice would lead to that conclusion. The soul would be some essence that is beyond the physical world, (a being from alternate universe maybe?). But then you speak of meditation and fasting. I would say that meditating has b…

Well, I'm looking at AI as an artist. The first notable thing I see is that I can pick out where all the refeferences come from and I find that boring. They are often not adapted to each other, there are obvious scale discrepancies and poor to little perspective. Cohesiveness is missing. Also by the arguments that I have seen, there is a very poor understanding of how artists work and develop their art. Artists transform materials, not existing art. Some artists may copy others but developing your own style is considered the gateway to making your best art. Art has many forms with a large portion of them being three dimensional. AI is a greatly limited tool that can statistically gather and render already existing imagery into a 2 dimensional format. It can be used as a tool to make art if the user has the skill to direct it with the proper prompts, but to equate that with how humans learn to create is to truly misunderstand the human process.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by carlosjobim »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #371
carlosjobim wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A powerful spiritual practice like challenging your own limits and fears to the maximum, or meditation and fasting, or immersing yourself in a completely different environment from what you are familiar with until you know it truly. Or if these things sound too abstract, to take a strong dose of psychedelics alone or with others. Religious texts are something that can be interesting after sensing some spirituality, b…

It's just that you said I was sad because I don't think their is a soul. Because, I assume, you think that there is some mystical entity that is directing the body that is you, and a spiritual practice would lead to that conclusion. The soul would be some essence that is beyond the physical world, (a being from alternate universe maybe?). But then you speak of meditation and fasting. I would say that meditating has b…

I wish I could help you more, but I don't know if I really can. But look at it this way: What are the odds that you have figured out everything about existence and there is nothing more to it than cold matter? Wouldn't you at least try to prove yourself wrong?

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

carlosjobim wrote: post #375
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just that you said I was sad because I don't think their is a soul. Because, I assume, you think that there is some mystical entity that is directing the body that is you, and a spiritual practice would lead to that conclusion. The soul would be some essence that is beyond the physical world, (a being from alternate universe maybe?). But then you speak of meditation and fasting. I would say that meditating has b…

I wish I could help you more, but I don't know if I really can. But look at it this way: What are the odds that you have figured out everything about existence and there is nothing more to it than cold matter? Wouldn't you at least try to prove yourself wrong?

I wish I could help you too. Isn't that the crux of the problem, you think I'm so deluded, I can't be helped, and I think the same of you. So once again, the two sides of any faith based / mystical interpretation of reality can't prove anything. I can't prove there is no soul, and you can't prove there is one. Anything based on mystical faith is just someone's opinion.

What are the odds you have it figured out? Why can't you try to prove yourself wrong. The odds are you haven't figured it out either, so why have you stopped trying. You say the soul exists, so why is the onus on me to prove it doesn't, but you don't have to prove anything.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by carlosjobim »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #376
carlosjobim wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could help you more, but I don't know if I really can. But look at it this way: What are the odds that you have figured out everything about existence and there is nothing more to it than cold matter? Wouldn't you at least try to prove yourself wrong?

I wish I could help you too. Isn't that the crux of the problem, you think I'm so deluded, I can't be helped, and I think the same of you. So once again, the two sides of any faith based / mystical interpretation of reality can't prove anything. I can't prove there is no soul, and you can't prove there is one. Anything based on mystical faith is just someone's opinion. What are the odds you have it figured out? Why c…

It hasn't to do with you, it is the limit of the medium. You can't prove a soul or anything spiritual through text. Or at least I can't. I don't think you're deluded.

But, I will argue that there is physical evidence for the soul and for the spiritual beyond our everyday comprehension. That physical evidence is psychedelics. If you take psychedelics once with a person who is dear to you, I'm certain you will come out on the other side much assured they have a soul, that there is much more to people than what you see in everyday life.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

carlosjobim wrote: post #377
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could help you too. Isn't that the crux of the problem, you think I'm so deluded, I can't be helped, and I think the same of you. So once again, the two sides of any faith based / mystical interpretation of reality can't prove anything. I can't prove there is no soul, and you can't prove there is one. Anything based on mystical faith is just someone's opinion. What are the odds you have it figured out? Why c…

It hasn't to do with you, it is the limit of the medium. You can't prove a soul or anything spiritual through text. Or at least I can't. I don't think you're deluded. But, I will argue that there is physical evidence for the soul and for the spiritual beyond our everyday comprehension. That physical evidence is psychedelics. If you take psychedelics once with a person who is dear to you, I'm certain you will come out…

I see where you are coming from now. See, 'text' got us here eventually.

I'm more from Zen Buddhism background, so agree about not trusting 'text'. That language is limited for communication. I think a lot of the issues here, are just about miss-interpreting language.

But for Psychedelics, I have always fallen on the side that they can also cause delusion. I guess because they are mind altering, then potentially they are altering perceptions to be something even less real than someone had without psychedelics.

The other reason I have not depended on them, is because no matter the impressions they leave, however mind expanding, it is still isolated inside my own head. They don’t provide proof of anything outside myself. The results are still limited to the individual’s point of view. But also agree, that they can be valuable if someone is so buried in dogma it helps them break out to look around. So, guess for psychedelics, it depends on where someone is at, and trying to achieve.

With all addiction dogma aside, or arguments on what is addictive, or not, aside. My struggles to overcome addiction have led me to not trust mind altering substances. That even if our own un-altered perceptions are an illusion, so is the altered perception. So being in an altered state is not gaining ground on understanding.

On other hand Psychedelics do help with some addictions, so guess mileage can vary.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by nunodonato »

postexitus wrote: post #71
nunodonato wrote: post #36

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I can say with a certain degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily.

I can say with a higher degree of confidence that you haven't actually used CoPilot daily for any respectably sized project.

oops, you are wrong :)
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