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Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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I use a combination of Google Photos and Dropbox. GPhotos is great for searching photos, sharing, and viewing on Chromecast. But I don't like that they can transcode your data. Supposedly they don't if you have the storage space, but an accidental app setting can still mess things up. Then there's Dropbox. It automatically uploads all my raw data, and syncs it across multiple devices. So at least I have local and clo…

Picasa is no more, I thought?

https://picasa.google.com/

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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>A cheap, ZFS, consumer friendly, Dual 2.5" HDD DAS would have been great. Unfortunately no one is making one. May be there is no market, May be they just dont care. IIRC ZFS is more trouble than it's worth on tiny systems due to the RAM requirements... generally speaking if you care enough to want ZFS specifically you'll get a slightly larger QNAP / similar NAS (I think the smallest ZFS capable qnaps are 4-bay), or…

Please stop talking about ZFS having excessive RAM requirements - that only applies if you turn on De-Duplication. ZFS will happily run on a box with 2GB of RAM.

Why on earth no one said this on the truenas forum. I have 96GB of ram on my home server

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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> 1. copy to hard disk > 2. buy a new drive every year and copy it forward > 3. store a copy with relatives Yep, always good to have a local copy. > Note that a cloud provider: >1. can shut off your access at any time, by accident or on purpose, and you have no recourse Absolutely, which is why steps 1-3 help here. > 2. will sell your data to anyone at any time Not true. Neither Google, Amazon or Microsoft do this. T…

> None of the employees have direct access to your data I've seen enough reports of employees charged with viewing customers' private data to be skeptical that this can't be done. Also, people keep finding security flaws. If outsiders can penetrate the system and download terabytes, it ought to be even easier for insiders. > Will leak it is a bit too strong and harsh Not at all. I used to design airplane parts. The p…

> Not at all. I used to design airplane parts. The principle is not "could it fail" but "when it fails, how do we ensure the plane won't crash?" It's a completely different mindset.

Right, but your analogy is akin to saying "I won't travel by any Boeing plane because the plane could crash". Different risks are fine as long as the mitigation plan isn't "I will never travel by planes". Just my 2 cents since I don't design airplane parts.

> If you say that in the airplane design business, you'll get your knuckles thwacked with a ruler. It is always when it happens, ...

Sure, different industries, different risks. The risk in this context isn't death. I agree "guaranteed" was a wrong choice of word here, however I have basic trust in their enterprise products to know my data is safer and secure than doing my own thing.

> Which can change at any time.

Which is when you can decide if you still want to continue -- or purge your data (since I assume there is a backup).

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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I also use Synology, but with apple photos. There's a mac mini on my home network that syncs the photo library automatically, and then Synology Drive syncs the local folder to the Synology. That is in turn backed up to backblaze weekly

How do you sync your Apple photo library to your Syno, given the Apple library is a package file containing a maze of machine-generated nested folders and many nearly duplicate image files (at least for those images you’ve edited)?

Here's how I do it...

- subscribe to iCloud 2TB plan

- all photos on my wife and my devices are auto uploaded to the cloud

- i run a synology nas that downloads and organizes all the photos in a directory structure YYYY/MM/DD.

- a hyperbackup task backs up the (encrypted) photos to Backblaze B2.

That way i have my photos in apple's cloud, on my nas and in another cloud.

What do I use to download/sync the photos from iCloud to the NAS, you ask?? It's an awesome project called "iCloud Photos Downloader" - https://github.com/icloud-photos-downloader/icloud_photos_do...

I have it running in a docker container on the nas and it periodically syncs and keeps itself up to date, no hassle. https://hub.docker.com/r/boredazfcuk/icloudpd

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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Restic. If you create a restic backup it asks you for an encryption password, you enter it, co fogure the folders etc. Sadly it has no gui (that I know of) but something like runtestic can help with automated incremental and encrypted backups, where you only want to keep the last n versions (and for example a weekly snapshot)

On Gnome, DejaDup recently rolled out restic support, and I must say, it's looking really good! If you use Gnome, I would encourage you to use it and give feedback here [1] [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/deja-dup/-/issues/192

Thanks for the hint, I am a KDE plasma user, but I will keep this in mind for Gnome users in my circle.

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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What I use is an old PC running a NextCloud instance. It has an SSD for the OS and the data sits on a ZFS pool made of two HDDs in mirror mode. I chose ZFS because I was worried about silent data corruption (it happened before in my large photo archive even if it isn't nearly as large as yours) and because when I set this up, there was still a lot of discussion on whether BTRFS was reliable or not. If you wish to replicate this now, I think you should re-evaluate BTRFS (assuming you will be using a Linux distro).

For the cloud backup, I think that you will be saving money by using backblaze [1].

As for the solution for posterity, if you're worried about the possibility of next generations not being able to pay, the only solution I see from the top of my head is to print the photos. Given the amount that you have this would be a daunting task, so only print the ones that you find the most valuable and look for a "safe and stable" (whatever this means... :D) place where to store them.

[1] https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage.html

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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1. copy to hard disk 2. buy a new drive every year and copy it forward 3. store a copy with relatives Note that a cloud provider: 1. can shut off your access at any time, by accident or on purpose, and you have no recourse 2. will sell your data to anyone at any time 3. will give it to any government for the asking 4. will leak it to any hacker 5. will allow employees of said cloud provider to browse your data 6. wil…

I do something similar. Recent photos live on grandma-/normie-friendly services like Google Photos, and once every year or so I download everything and store it on platter drives locally with par2 archives to guard against bit rot.

What redundancy level do you use for par2?

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OneDrive + 2 offline copies in two separate disks. Organization is in folders. Intend to keep one disk at a different location. But right now everything is at one place.

I gave up two different periods when I tried to do anything involving a lot of data with OneDrive. Inevitably the app would fail to sync or would forever get stuck syncing and become useless. What number of files and total volume stored do you have, if I may ask? In my case it was 50k files and 500ish GB.

I am definitely beyond 50k files because it also has code. Volume would be around 300 GB. Haven't faced any issues so far.

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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I have been using Google Photos for the past 9 years with no problems. Last year I decided to try out OneDrive, if any of you are using OneDrive, please leave a backup somewhere else or, at least, don't use the selective sync feature, which only syncs some files and folders locally. I used to use the selective sync, then I toggled it by accident, OneDrive created all the folders and was downloading the files when I decided to interrupt it and turn on the selective sync again. A few months laters, I found out that this little incident made OneDrive assume that my newly created empty folders were the right thing to backup and I've lost a decade of photos. Yes, I know it's 100% my fault, I should've known better than to trust microsoft with anything. And let's be clear, when I say trust, I don't mean that I blindly trust Google either, I just trust them to be competent.

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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Same plan for ALL data.

Recent Local + Recent in Cloud(DropBox) --> Copy on Home NAS (Synology) + Local NAS weekly Backup (External USB) --> Continuous Cloud Backup (BackBlaze) --> Offsite Copy Annually

Copy all important and historical data to a cloud storage solutions. Currently using DropBox

Export photos to home NAS (Dual Drive) and NAS Backup to external drive weekly. Daily backup all local drives to BackBlaze

Once a year, copy all photos and important data to a larger encrypted USB HDD for one year storage off site at parents home. I swap the drives about once a year. This is my I need it quick recovery copy should the house burn down.

For encrypted storage, I use only local OS encryption. Got burned by TruCrypt/VeraCrypt not supporting new OS.

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