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Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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software engineering is incredibly saturated at this point you have to be marketable in another way

More like a over-saturated field and now 'less engineers' are needed thanks to AI. > "you have to be marketable in another way" Correct. I would look at personal GitHub projects over Leetcode BS if I was finding a candidate at this point.

>less engineers' are needed thanks to AI.

I dont believe

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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> Perks. We often meet directly with recruiters in person, and they have expense accounts and take us for lunch/drinks we don't have to pay for. This makes us want to keep using them over direct applications (yes recruiters, this 100% works, we won't use you if you're shit regardless but we'll 100% entertain looking at your candidates if you take us for lunch or drinks - check compliance limits before suggesting a ve…

Can't speak for that guy but there are definitely people who are well paid but who will go out of their way for free stuff. Don't really get it myself, I think typically such people are drastically undervaluing their time.

It's an emotional thing. When you spend formative years in a financial condition where food expenses were significant, and free food significantly eased financial pressure on you, that reaction to free food can stick with you long after you have the financial freedom to make your own choices.

Source: finally realized that half the reason I went to technical talks that bored me was for free pizza and beer that were bad for me anyway

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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My linkedin views are basically rock bottom and the twice-daily recruiter spam has stopped entirely. From my assessment of my network anyone who lost their job is looking, or has been looking for a long time. The market is effectively dead. Even if you set your sights extremely low. Even corporate suit-and-tie programmer jobs are drying up. I don't know what I'll do if I lose my job. Construction, maybe. I can't be w…

It might be dependent on what's in your area. I still get a fair bit of recruiter spam, but the character of it has changed a lot. Amazon seem to have put their ambitions to briefly employ everyone in the world on hold, and I haven't heard from them in a year, say. On the other hand, I'm seeing a lot of mail/LinkedIn messages from (a) medium-sized post-startups (~1k employees, probably not a unicorn) and (b) financia…

I have also had LinkedIn recruiter messages dry up in the past 6 months, and as for the geolocation component I'm in NYC, and yes my profile is up to date, I'm listed as 'open to offers', etc. I used to get a dozen messages weekly, now maybe one per month.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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I hate to say this, stop applying. Find a recruiter on LinkedIn. This is what it has come to. There are thousands of resumes being sent at my company, yet the recruiter can't find anyone. Why? Because no one is applying through her link. The regular resume channel is reserved for bots at this point. Contact a person and you have more chances.

This and… Use your new free time by not applying to… Work on a project that interests you and share it online Exercise both physically and fiscally Spend time with people you care about and also care about you And keep working on projects and sharing them, maybe even with hn The comments on here are legion of individuals who post some project and have to then fight away recruiters…

>Work on a project that interests you and share it online

This is good advice, but remember it's not the only way. Not everyone is comfortable giving their work away for free.

(maybe its a new product/business idea etc). If the new business idea fails or you decide not to proceed with it you can still put it in your CV as long as you can describe it in detail and/or show potential employers your work. Assuming the project is related to your work of course.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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No, no one calls someone with 5.5 years of experience a junior engineer.

That's exactly what the parent comment says: title inflation. I sometimes get even funnier CVs, where a person with 2-3 years of experience (usually from the Army) is already in a tech lead / architect position.

Tech is very strongly bi-modal or even tri-modal in terms of both compensation and skill. Some people with 2-3 YOE will operate better than some people with 10 YOE.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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No, no one calls someone with 5.5 years of experience a junior engineer.

I do, and quite frequently. After more than a 2 decades in software development (rails/web/...), for me to consider a developer to be a senior it needs to: * Communicate: For example: can explain tech concepts to non tech people, or inform on Monday that the sprint will be unlikely to be done in time. * Can estimate and adapt to changes. Be boring and predictable. * Can work/collaborate/teach with other devs. I got t…

Surely there's a step between a junior and a senior?

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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I do, and quite frequently. After more than a 2 decades in software development (rails/web/...), for me to consider a developer to be a senior it needs to: * Communicate: For example: can explain tech concepts to non tech people, or inform on Monday that the sprint will be unlikely to be done in time. * Can estimate and adapt to changes. Be boring and predictable. * Can work/collaborate/teach with other devs. I got t…

You think it takes 5+ years to acquire those skills?! Man, I would be driven insane in an environment like that. Such a long time and a relatively low bar.

I think the point is that some people don't acquire it within 5 or even more years. Think of a typical checked-out worker, without any specific ambition in professional life. There's plenty of people like that.

Re: Ask HN: Is the market bad, or am I having the worst luck job hunting?

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I believe the market really is just bad right now. When I was job searching it probably took me 3 times as long. I noticed that there were hundreds of applicants per role when normally I'd have noticed less than 20 maybe? Even at my current company they told us that hundreds of people were applying. That's how many you have to beat just to get in the door. I think it's caused by a number of factors: (1) Investors are…

At least in regards to competing against hundreds of applicants, I think that's driven by how easy it is to submit a job application now, and by the fact that so many roles are remote. I'm job searching as well at the moment, and a friend I talked to said he had genuinely applied to at least 1000 jobs, in basically any city in the country, before landing the role he has now. Said he submitted 20 applications/day, 5 days a week for 6 months. That kind of math can explain why so many roles have 1000+ other applicants.
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