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Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Stories like this is what will get to management and have them force everyone back in to the office.

I don't get this reaction by management- if the work is getting done, who cares?!

Because $/resources are fungible, and your task isn't the only thing in the organization that needs resources.

Assuming you are on salary, if you can legitimately do something in half the time, great, you should then move on to doing something else that contributes to the company.

If you are on salary you are paid for your time and talent, not by the task.

The right thing for management to do would be to reward you for being efficient (doesn't just have to be simple monetary, people are motivated by all kinds of things), and then reallocate those resources that we saved to some other need.

This of course changes if you are on some kind of contract work.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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This is an awesome question. I hope someone has good strategies for you. Life should be spent doing the things you find worthwhile, and the fact is, not all of those things are monetizable. Given how esteem- and success driven HN as a platform is... you might not get too many ideas since I suppose people want to maintain their "hireable" status. Success and "loving your job" are more or less empty phrases unless you…

My job allows me to go back stage at Glastonbury and track-side visits at the Olympics, front seat views of royal weddings, orchestral pit on last night of the proms, and I have a fairly sedantry job of mostly pushing buttons. Colleagues have spent days in jungles building bridges to drive cars over them, have got to know people living in random villages from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe and share in their culture, have m…

On a related note, I think what you might call "low income" service jobs are often more likely to put you in contact with those sorts of people than some middle class job. Sort of like being a maid. Maids work for the rich and the rich are more likely to be those sorts of people. So a maid is more likely to know one of those people than a middle class person and in a way that is quite personal (you're in their house, possible living under their roof). I know of cases like that involving well known people. Naturally, the perspective is more quotidian and more accurate than the kind of comical celebrity fantasies middle class people often believe.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stories like this is what will get to management and have them force everyone back in to the office.

I don't get this reaction by management- if the work is getting done, who cares?!

Going back to the office might in fact make that situation worse. Now the person with time on their hands and low ambition isn't gonna suddenly get ambitious, but is gonna distract other people as well.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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I think you might have good chances with big companies with good work and life balance. Maybe banks or insurance companies could be a good match for you. Basically what you are looking for might be: A rather older team. Legacy technology (maybe COBOL ;) ). No new development. Also a "lazy" team is good. Look for teams where most members have families, maybe small kids. BUT guess the SECRET weapon is Head-MONOPOLY. Yo…

> Legacy technology (maybe COBOL ;) )

PHP does really well here. I once maintained one of these things. It was an awesome job. I worked ~8 hours a week, for a full time salary because if I left, they'd never be able to find someone to replace me. In fact, when I did finally leave, it took nearly 8 months to find someone and they left. I continued contracting for them for nearly 4 years until they went out of business.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Honestly, I think this is somewhat of a crapshoot/hard to tell from the job description and the reason I say this is the job I'm currently in functions exactly how you describe but the job description/everything else from the outside gave me no clue before I actually started the job. "Ideally being done in 2 hours in the morning then chilling would be perfect" -- in fact, for me, often it's 2 hours on a Monday mornin…

"based on the East Coast. My salary isn't bonkers but I'm comfortably in the 150-200k range before bonus." Hope you are not trolling. 150-200K is not only comfortable but one of the top salaries even in East Coast area.

For NYC at least, that's fairly normal for software engineers at tech companies. https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/New-York-C...

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stories like this is what will get to management and have them force everyone back in to the office.

I don't get this reaction by management- if the work is getting done, who cares?!

And to be clear, "management" pulls these stunts all the time, so they might even be impressed.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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How about instead of trying to dig a hole somewhere, you find a job where you can provide great value on very little hours?

I moonlight as a consultant, and I generally work for whatever the going rate is for a decent hourly hire in the space. I do web-apps as it is my specialty, and select projects with familiar tech / business logic so that I'm productive quickly.

What I do differently then most is that I invest time up front to understand the company, and understand the why behind the projects I have to do. It allows me to spend a lot of time shaping my work instead of implementing. I'll try to find better alternatives, question requirements, etc. I do it in good faith, trying to uncover unsound specs and find 80/20 solutions, which in the context of companies outsourcing dev work to random shops has a ton value.

It doesn't make the projects themselves more interesting, but this approach is challenging in itself and it keeps me on my toes.

Once I've figured the how, I get grinding. I do long, 8-12h crunch sessions, fasting and fully in the zone. During each of those I can do an amount of work that is perceived to take about a week.

I do most of those up front (avoid last minute surprises), take some notes on some of the roadblocks I encounter in case someone asks for an update at any point, and set the project aside. I then turn it in a bit before the expected deadline (which is sometimes explicit, sometimes not).

Ethics are hard but truth is I'm not even ashamed of it and have on multiple occasions admitted to doing that to managers / execs when I felt they were open-minded people. They still get excellent value for their money and I get paid incredibly well for my time. Win-win.

The alternative would be to try to charge 200-300$ an hour, but companies generally don't want to deal with the perceived risk and are very reluctant to pay consultants higher than their most expensive employees .

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Work at an org where you think you could be considered at least a 4x engineer. Even better a 10x. I could be a 4x/10x/100x engineer someplace, and a 0.25x at another.

Learn to automate stuff at your job. It works at programming jobs too.

Prefer the workplace is a product or SaaS/product company. My experience with it shows that it has a lower cognitive load after the initial 6 months to 1 year of hard work. Yes, you have to put in extra effort early on to reap the benefits later on. This does not mean programming more, but understanding the product in depth and in domain.

On top of that prefer an established product which has sizeable management and team size. Things move slowly here.

Stay away from lead/architect/management roles - it would be unethical to take up any of those.

Prefer a development (programming) role. Over the years, I have realised that "time is elastic" with programming roles.

Keep away from consulting companies/consultant roles. Some of those pay well, but then you are not looking to earn more.

In ideal situation I would recommend leaving toxic places - but embrace and learn to manipulate workplaces that give more importance to "visibility" than "actual work".

And the last piece: All of the above should be temporary for few years - it will hurt your psyche the longer you keep doing it. Explore and change your earnings to something that will work for you long term.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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I have no interest in telling you what to do as an individual but this thread and all of the people that seem on board with this is what drives me crazy about most of the places I've worked. I have the hardest time getting anything done because of the sea of people trying to find ways not to do any work. Is this not abuse of privilege? Do you all not hear the stories of people working multiple jobs and still not bein…

The prevailing attitude in this community is work hard in your day job, your side hustle and try to solve inequality and the environment in your spare time.

As such I found this discussion an interesting diversion. Slightly awkward comic relief perhaps.

There is a lot to of work in industries which have a predominantly negative effect on the world around us. Slacking off while working in one of those companies might even be a net positive.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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I have no interest in telling you what to do as an individual but this thread and all of the people that seem on board with this is what drives me crazy about most of the places I've worked. I have the hardest time getting anything done because of the sea of people trying to find ways not to do any work. Is this not abuse of privilege? Do you all not hear the stories of people working multiple jobs and still not bein…

> it doesn't feel good to take money from people for work you haven't done.

I can think of entire ranges of organizations I would have no problem in extracting money from.

Despite personally regularly working 60+ hour weeks (I actually like my job), your entire post feels like you’re pretty deep into the wage-slave kool-aid. A job is a means to an end, not a reason to exist, and companies do not care for you in the slightest. Extending them the same courtesy is a reasonable step.

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