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Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by cmdrfred »

gnoway wrote: post #316
HR0000000 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absolutely not at all illegal to check and is a very standard part of background checks.

Not sure why this was downvoted, it's not illegal and companies do it via background checks. Quick searches reveal this is a popular question, spot checks of the answers agree that it's not illegal and quite common.

Why is it that "What are you making are your current job, we will verify it." is acceptable but "What was this companies net revenue last quarter" is not. The game is so clearly rigged.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by dclowd9901 »

owenconti wrote: post #274
jmathes wrote: post #165

The most important thing you can do for your career is: * Accept a job somewhere * Get promoted (doesn't matter how) * let yourself get hired away from your current company Getting hired away from your current company is the only way to get a fair raise based on increased experience. Companies never give substantial raises to current employees.

Not true at all. You just need to find a company that values you and your work. Our company intentionally hires juniors so that we can groom them as they grow. I was one of those juniors 100%.

You can't just dismiss their experience based on your experience. I, for one, have also found it to be very true, and I think most people would agree (insofar as it seems to be a bit of a meme).

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by tamana »

cmdrfred wrote: post #361
gnoway wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this was downvoted, it's not illegal and companies do it via background checks. Quick searches reveal this is a popular question, spot checks of the answers agree that it's not illegal and quite common.

Why is it that "What are you making are your current job, we will verify it." is acceptable but "What was this companies net revenue last quarter" is not. The game is so clearly rigged.

Public companies publish quarter results..

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by TenOhms »

meric wrote: post #332
philovivero wrote: post #217

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Your anecdote is the exception to the rule. I've been in the industry for 20 years and can affirm the rule: you don't get raises from your current employer. You get raises by changing employers.

I second his anecdote. Have received large raises twice, but had to negotiate hard for it, with offers from outside in hand.

Pretty much my experience too. My dad worked at one job for nearly 25 years of his life and I learned a couple years ago that I already make over twice what he did by the time he retired.

My dad was a little like Al Bundy though, he never really sought to improve himself like I do constantly and I'm sure almost everyone here does too.

I think the industry still has a lot of managers who think in terms of running a shoe store with employees that are improving themselves at a rapid pace.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by Tobani »

p4wnc6 wrote: post #305
kybernetikos wrote: post #300

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You don't need the trusted third party. You could share the hash of the numbers so they couldn't be changed during the process, then do the millionaires problem [1] to find out which number was bigger, and finally and only if the right one is bigger, share the figures (setting the salary at the midpoint is the same as sharing the figures in terms of information transfer) and calculate it that way. The only way to not…

That sounds an awful lot like a cryptographic protocol to me. And CNN told me that cryptography helps terrorists. ... You're a witch!

Very small rocks

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by amazoniananon »

seattle_googler wrote: post #46

Seattle Googler here (throwaway account). Position: Senior Software Engineer (level 5) Tenure: 4 years, no prior experience Comp: $300K (160 salary, 40 bonus, 100 stock) Male, native English speaker P.S. We're hiring.

I'm interested in working at the Fremont office. Do you know any ex-Amazonians that are at Google now that I can talk to? I've put an e-mail alias in my profile.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by tamana »

enraged_camel wrote: post #353
JoshDoody wrote: post #120

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One of my negotiation principles is "Don't disclose your current or desired salary" during the negotiation. With persistence, the recruiter or hiring manager will usually just move on. Another principle is that you should always counter. So I'm _extremely_ surprised to hear that 95% of the time, people have refused to continue talking with you. I can't refute your experience, but I can say this has never happened to…

I interview techies, and I always make a point to ask them to give me their expected salary range. The purpose behind this isn't to one-up them and pay them as little as possible. It's just in both parties' best interest to avoid wasting time if the expected pay is too high. Neither we nor the candidate want to go through several rounds of interviews for something that ultimately won't work out. And at the opposite e…

Why don't you just tell the candidate your offer range and let them decide if they are interested?

Because you aren't honest at all, to system is trying to get rmpoyees for less.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by Spooky23 »

mmanfrin wrote: post #132
tptacek wrote: post #122

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I don't think employees in (most?) at-will states can be terminated for violating pay secrecy rules. (I think the only state with a meaningful divergence from at-will is Montana).

A company does not have to give reason to fire in an at-will state. If they don't say 'we fired you because you were discussing pay', then there is no means to prove that was the case.

That's even better. You have a lawyer write a letter that it's because of your alcohol/sexual orientation/etc, and you'll end up with a settlement 6/10 times.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by greedo »

HR0000000 wrote: post #314
yeukhon wrote: post #262

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So they can just fire you, have an escort and done?

Yes. Just as you can quit, walk out, and be done. For no reason. But they can't fire you for health reasons, personal reasons, etc.

They can fire you for health reasons, they just have to be very careful when doing so. Been there, done that. Pretty hard to sue when you have no proof except common sense.

Re: Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much I make at Amazon

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Post by hudibras »

asdfologist wrote: post #194
unohoo wrote: post #163

Check out the recently launched site Comparably https://comparably.com/ It is so much better than Glassdoor at dissecting salary data.

How do you have any confidence that any of their numbers are real? Unlike this thread or even Glassdoor, there's a clear incentive to submit fake data to Comparably because they require you to submit a salary before you can see any of their data (and encourage you to sign in with your LinkedIn account).

Yikes. Anybody who gives both their salary and LinkedIn information to any company is either insane or stupid.
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