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Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Fully agreed. The oversimplification of the scoring system feels deeply wrong.

This test is actually fairly well validated. The purpose isn't to specifically diagnose your problems, it is to find the floor for how much trauma you may have experienced. Sure, some may have had parents under the influence occasionally while others witnessed heavy usage in front of them. The point is that even for the "light" case, that is a significant issue. Think of it as childhood trauma triage. It is a good fi…

I don't doubt it's well validated, and the point of it also is clear. Based on the questions I could appreciate exactly your point -- people with some mixture of traumatic experiences will score higher, people without (or with fewer) will score lower. I imagine, as a total laymen in this field, the intended application is surveying large groups to focus resources, or perhaps as intake material.

But sharing and comparing scores on an internet forum seems (to me, as a laymen) outside of the test's design purpose. Initially I thought I would share my experiences here, but like mentioned in other comments -- I just don't want to breathe life into any of that. I hope other people who participated in the discussion found catharsis at least.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 4

High IQ (top 4%), with extremely high verbal skills (top 0.1%).

Late twenties, veering on thirties. Depression, anxiety, dissociation, numbness, trying to regain vitality.

Parents separated when I was 7. I was bullied and almost completely alone at school. As a teenager I changed schools and that got considerably better; lost the only friend I made there when we both were 14. Escaped my father's house at 17. Almost commited suicide at 19, which led me to therapy, and some years later, medication. Got out of both after 3 and 5 years, respectively. After that I met my now ex girlfriend, who -I dare say- I allowed to cheat on me. I moved out of my mother's house upon finding a somewhat decent paying job -but not enough in and by itself- and with the compromise of both my parents to financially support me. That changed over time on my father's side, when he noticed that it was not going to give him my affection as a token of appreciation, and I believe I am trapped of sorts: I live by myself in a little flat in the city center, paying a rent that takes 50% of my take-home pay (yet is _way_ cheaper than current average). The whole ordeal (breaking up, moving out, new job), got me on the verge of suicide for a second time. Got back into therapy and medication. Got out of medication; still in therapy.

The main problem I can voice is/was my father. Mentally ill but functional. Gone through his fair share of bad things -lived under a dictatorial regime in which his family was not part of the 'good' side; was sexually abused; had no running water or electricity until he was 16; possibly autistic as well as high IQ-. He used me as his therapist, his close friend, his personal confessor, his fan, his shadow, his emotional companion. He would constantly talk trash about my mother and stepfather, and leave me to my own devices in order to work on his thesis, which took him like 15 years to complete as an adult.

I was bullied at school, so I had no friends nor social life to speak of. I was barely out of the house... As a teen, I had few acquaintances and lived in considerabe isolation too. I left uni halfway through because I panicked, since I didn't pass clean the second year and I felt guilty for it. Summer jobs helped immensely with social skills, so I was able to mask my depression and general negativity way more effectively.

Ended up with two associate degrees, one in Marketing and one in Web Development. Currently working in the government, doing nothing (well, I'm self-studying _How To Design Programs_, by Felleisen et al., in the ample time I have at my disposal), but I'm mediocre as a coder. Considering going into a role of Functional Analyst or Technical Sales because of my verbal and logical skills, and raw processing power, as well as an analytical and obssesive personality.

I can't shake off the feeling that I'm worthless, utter trash, irrelevant, insignificant, with no real world skills, late to the party in terms of love and job prospects. Sometimes I get so out of center that I put myself to bed through sheer catastrophizing.

Now, good things and findings.

My mother is fully supportive, even helps economically (that's so much luck) and we love each other. I love my little brother. Albeit I feel like a free floating particle socially speaking, that I don't belong anywhere, I can have quite meaningful relationships with my friends. I'm attractive, and it shows. I'm fit. I'm disciplined, and stick to a very virtuous -if surely isolating- daily routine. I take care of myself by going to therapy, training powerlifting, eating and sleep well, trying to level up my coding skills, reading and learning. I live in a beautiful city, full of services, and everything is at walking distance. No addictions.

Learning about trauma and complex PTSD has been a discrete improvement in both my vocabulary and my ability to relate to my past and current lived experience. I'm going to try an underground MDMA assisted therapy session -that I will have to pay with part of my emergency funds-, to see if I can get back in touch with my body and my emotions. I've gone from 0 to 1 in this sense (I went from feeling nothing to feeling something as my general way of living), I can tear up but can't really cry cathartically. I can explain what has been done to me, but I don't feel it out of deep seated, ancient, shame and fear.

I can recommend:

- Complex PTSD, Pete Walker

- The Tao of Fully Feeling, Pete Walker

- Trauma and Recovery, Judith Herman

- The Drama of the Gifted Child, Alice Miller

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 8. I didn't know this was a thing and took a test which accurately described my entire childhood with every question. I don't know where to go from here? I want the daily pain to stop.

Hi there, I would start with looking up complex trauma and looking for a therapist in your area who specializes in EMDR and parts work for complex trauma (I'm a therapist myself). The book The Body Keeps the Score provides a ton of information and good tips/strategies as well. Lots of luck and healing is possible.

Thank you! Will do.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 6. Late diagnosed with both dyslexia and adhd, and I didn't get my masters degree until I was in my thirties. I have trust issues and imposter syndrome, but overall I'm doing pretty well. I have a child that I love above all other things, and her happiness is my biggest priority. We choose happiness every single day.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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I suffer from anxiety and OCD although not diagnosed. I feel immense pain seeing many of my personal projects left at a standstill on my table because I get anxious about some random thing and get obsessive thoughts of it especially losing everything. This has devastated my personal life and relationships. I remember as a child crying and telling my parents about this but they took it as me making excuses to not work…

I can relate to you - I've been through a lot of shit with my OCD but I have finally figured it out. I found that in my case, diet plays a huge role. If I consume sugary crap it ruins my day, whereas something fresh like a lot of fruits and vegetables promotes calmness on the inside. Along with that, fitness is another thing that worked wonders. I would be on turbo mode with my mind working 3x more effectively with 0…

I can so relate to this. I had anxiety since my childhood for some reason especially exams. I used to consistently stand top 3 in my class. Just like you I have under performed hugely for the amount of work that I have put in and I used to get this feedback constantly from my friends and classmates. I used to put a lot of effort and consistently and obsessively outworked my peers. The under performance made me a lot bitter unfortunately.

>I trained myself mentally to not care about any shit so much actually, and I made it a habit of giving my best at everything I do, regardless of the outcome.

I have started doing this. When I hit rock bottom, I lost a lot of relationships except my parents. This was kind of most comforting as I was now transported back to my younger days where I used to be absorbed with my books and projects. I have now started reading again and restarted a lot of projects. For some reason interacting with people causes me a lot of anxiety. Weirdly, being with elder older people has a very calming effect in me perhaps due to them taking things slow.

>Along with that, fitness is another thing that worked wonders.

Yes and this is something that I miss. My new office sucks and I don't get out as much. I used walk a lot when I was younger and was very slim and light. Now I have put on weight I feel that sluggishness and tiredness which I really have to work on. Along with this I want to get back to good sleeping habits. I feel incredible when I have a good night's sleep.

>Working on my favorite projects is another plus. It will be a plus in your case too, I am sure.

Yes definitely. I am feeling restlessness these few years because work at office is taking all my time. Personal projects used to give a me a lot of peace of mind as I still have my natural inquisitiveness. Learning new things is something I love to do and keeps my mind healthy and fresh. Working with my hands is something that I love to do.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. At least I know that I am not alone in this mess.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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I have an ACE score of 6. I vastly benefit from trauma therapy: EMDR, IoPT (constellations), hypnotherapy, somatic experiencing, nonviolent communication. It helped me get out of most of my previous addictions, and I do not need to take any medication. I consider myself to be quite happy, and was able to build secure attachments and bonds.

Which was most helpful? Or if you can't pick one then what were the best two?

I think it's really a matter of personal preference, experience and circumstance. For a successful therapy and healing, one needs three components: stabilization/resource building (people, things, locations), safety (no or at least reduced contact with abusers; typically there is no conscious awareness of ongoing and continued abuse and boundary violations!), and then, finally, confrontation with past trauma. The three areas need different tools and all need to be balanced with each other.

Often people get stuck in one of these areas; sometimes it may be out of their control. Without careful attention to all three areas, this then translates into a negative reenforcement of "This doesn't work", "I cannot be healed", "It's all my fault", "I'm just too much for anyone", "I'm never going to be good enough", etc.

There is a lot of pressure to try to get out of the trauma and the reenactment fast; patience is an unaffordable luxury for someone suffering and embedded in ongoing violence. If one pushes too fast for confrontation without safety or sufficient resources, they are going to pull stuff up and project it on the present experience, with a high probability of further retraumatization and confirmation of their own and other's "evilness".

The methods I mentioned are my favorites. They all play an important role in my own healing. There are many more.

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