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Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by _benj »

indymike wrote: post #105
yamtaddle wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * If you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application. A single day of delay in response causes 28% of candidates to become unresponsive to recruiters (this is from our company's research). It drops to 51% become unresponsive 48 hours later. My experience with being hired at non-FAANG places over a career of more than two decades is that I'm usually through a process and h…

I routinely hire developers in 24 hours from initial contact. It's fun watching them get random recruiter calls two or three weeks later. "I'm not interested, I STARTED my new job three weeks ago. No, I'm not willing to leave for that. Have a nice day." Except the "Have a nice day" part is usually less friendly and polite.

This! It happened to me on my last job search. Was talking with three companies and two of the had the usual 4-6 meetings across 2-3 weeks stuff… the one I accepted did two interviews (technical and with PMs) and had an offer for me about 1 hour after I finished the last interview. I was blown away and the other companies couldn’t really compete, nor they were affecting anything so much better that would be worth the wait!

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by solardev »

GabrielBen wrote: post #350
solardev wrote: post #72

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Truthfully I wish HN were detached from the VC culture altogether. There's plenty of good tech discussion here that isn't related to founding companies. This whole idea that founders and capitalists contribute some special sauce to society and therefore shouldn't be regulated is some old fart libertarian Randian fantasy silliness and I'm glad it's being called out. That sort of thing just doesn't work in civilized so…

This is a site made by a VC, for news on VC startups, for VC startup news consumers. Its mind-boggling that so many users come here to rant against capitalism, or advocate against startups, or have absolutely no relationship whatsoever with the space. It's not only crazy for me, its crazy for the makers of this site was well!

shrug This is just the culture that evolved here. Not every hacker is a capitalist. And HN's own guidelines welcome "Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity."

The whole salary transparency discussion IS something many hackers find interesting, especially since much of the actual "hacking" is on the labor side rather than the capital side.

I don't think it's hackers' fault that venture capitalism made a bad name for itself. The VCs did that well enough on their own. Hacking culture predates (and will hopefully outlast) tech opportunism.

And I also hope this forum/audience eventually moves to a FOSS, community-supported model instead of being a part of YC. But for now it's where we gather.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by robomartin »

xyzelement wrote: post #272
lazyasciiart wrote: post #253

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Expecting a response to your job application in less than a month sounds naive?

Month does sound long to me, but "a few weeks" isn't crazy given the reality on the ground. Note, I am not saying this is good or how it ought to be, I am just saying how it is. Let me ask you - if you were the recruiter at Apple and let's say you owned 5 roles each of which got 2000 resumes (I am stabbing at a number but it's Apple, so likely tons of people jump on every role) - how long would it take you to get thr…

And for all the AI prowess these large companies purport to have, I would expect a very efficient automated first-pass filter to significantly reduce the search space.

Also, there are roles --where time and expertise are a requirement-- that cannot possibly get thousands of legitimate applicants. Some not even hundreds.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by ungerik »

indymike wrote: post #105
yamtaddle wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * If you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application. A single day of delay in response causes 28% of candidates to become unresponsive to recruiters (this is from our company's research). It drops to 51% become unresponsive 48 hours later. My experience with being hired at non-FAANG places over a career of more than two decades is that I'm usually through a process and h…

I routinely hire developers in 24 hours from initial contact. It's fun watching them get random recruiter calls two or three weeks later. "I'm not interested, I STARTED my new job three weeks ago. No, I'm not willing to leave for that. Have a nice day." Except the "Have a nice day" part is usually less friendly and polite.

There also seems to be a scam industry forming to take advantage of those quick moves plus remote work. If one such scam employee makes it to the first salary, it already more than paid for the few hours spent on interviews and communicating excuses why he doesn't get anything done. Also interviews and pretending to work can be spread out to specialists within a team.

Now do the math for multiple interviews per working day for someone who is decent in interviewing...

We had the same guy show up to scam interviews under different names twice! LOL

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by mejutoco »

neon_electro wrote: post #243
wintogreen74 wrote: post #189

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How can either side get an accurate assessment of the other in such a short time? I was hired by my current employer in less than 2 weeks from initial conversation and it was a bit of a smell that they weren't more thorough. Now I'm a hiring manager and am a little concerned with what I feel are "loose" practices that let too many marginal candidates through because otherwise "it's too hard to source talent". For me…

To add anecdata to your post here, in the height of the hiring craze last year, I accepted an "above-market" (from my perspective) offer from a company called Provi. They took less than a week from initial recruiter call to offer. Fast forward to this past February, and I'm being let go for "performance reasons", but it's a lot clearer in retrospect that I should've been failed out of their interview process if it wa…

How long did it take them to let you go?

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by mejutoco »

id00 wrote: post #266
hellweaver666 wrote: post #229

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In most small companies you send in your CV, they bring you in for an interview, chat for an hour or so and get an offer the next day. The only reason big companies do these massive complex multi-hour interview processes that require ten plus people is because nobody wants to take responsibility for a shitty hire so they make sure everyone gets involved so it can’t be blamed on a single person.

> The only reason big companies do these massive complex multi-hour interview processes that require ten plus people is because nobody wants to take responsibility for a shitty hire so they make sure everyone gets involved so it can’t be blamed on a single person. This is a very detached view from the reality. The only reason for the company to spend that much time on the interview process is to reduce the rate of "f…

It is a structural property of committees. They dilute blame.

Not OP, I do not mean that there is an evil confabulation for this to happen, but if you have a hiring committee, this is happening. Even if it would reduce the amount of bad candidates (which is not a given at all), both effects can happen simultaneously.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by mejutoco »

paulgb wrote: post #53

There are some comments in here that verge on assuming bad faith on the part of the companies involved, so I think it's worth pointing out that this is a new law which has been in effect for just over a month. It's been on the way for a while, so it's not “sudden”, but it’s still a new thing that people are figuring out and it’s easier to forget about if you’re in the habit of re-using old listings. (Not about OP, wh…

Good thing that in law "ignorantia juris non excusat"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by indymike »

wintogreen74 wrote: post #189
indymike wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I routinely hire developers in 24 hours from initial contact. It's fun watching them get random recruiter calls two or three weeks later. "I'm not interested, I STARTED my new job three weeks ago. No, I'm not willing to leave for that. Have a nice day." Except the "Have a nice day" part is usually less friendly and polite.

How can either side get an accurate assessment of the other in such a short time? I was hired by my current employer in less than 2 weeks from initial conversation and it was a bit of a smell that they weren't more thorough. Now I'm a hiring manager and am a little concerned with what I feel are "loose" practices that let too many marginal candidates through because otherwise "it's too hard to source talent". For me…

You have to get these three things right:

* Define what a hireable candidate is so you aren't paralyzed in deciding who to give offers to and can be confident in screening.

* Front-load objective screening. Don't wait until after the interview to do a code test. Hiring managers should know what they've got, and focus on

* Make sure hiring managers understand their role in the process and are not running a different hiring process than the recruiting team so expectations can be met.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by Firmwarrior »

neon_electro wrote: post #243
wintogreen74 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can either side get an accurate assessment of the other in such a short time? I was hired by my current employer in less than 2 weeks from initial conversation and it was a bit of a smell that they weren't more thorough. Now I'm a hiring manager and am a little concerned with what I feel are "loose" practices that let too many marginal candidates through because otherwise "it's too hard to source talent". For me…

To add anecdata to your post here, in the height of the hiring craze last year, I accepted an "above-market" (from my perspective) offer from a company called Provi. They took less than a week from initial recruiter call to offer. Fast forward to this past February, and I'm being let go for "performance reasons", but it's a lot clearer in retrospect that I should've been failed out of their interview process if it wa…

Are you sure that wasn't a spot of impostor syndrome? Or do you think it was just a bad culture fit?

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by zacharybk »

zacharybk wrote: post #190
Osiris wrote: post #61

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This has been law in Colorado for 2 years and applies to anyone offering jobs to any Colorado resident including remote jobs. The law passed in 2019 and went into effect Jan 1, 2021.

Different companies clearly have different legal teams giving differing advice. I found this one fascinating: “If you are a Colorado or New York City resident and this role is a remote role, you can receive additional information about the compensation and benefits for this role, which we will provide upon request. Requests can be submitted here.“ link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScOlYgPtpG56uqO0O9j...…

I actually heard back from them today! Crazy how long it took them
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