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Re: Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speedtest?

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What you are describing is merely competition. Everyone pays the same marginal amount per kWh for a given amount of electricity—ignoring minor details like connection charges and time-of-day pricing. Yes, having more aggregate demand will tend to raise prices for everyone, but that doesn't amount to a subsidy. Internet access is typically billed as "unlimited" so those who use it very little pay a high rate per bit t…

> that doesn't amount to a subsidy It's really the same thing as in the flat rate case. It's a bit less unfair since the cost rises linearly, but it's not enough to leave small consumers unaffected. People who consume small amounts of a utility still pay more because of people who consume a lot.

> People who consume small amounts of a utility still pay more because of people who consume a lot.

No, they really don't. People consuming small amounts and large amounts both pay more due to higher aggregate demand. If it weren't for the many small users the aggregate demand would be lower and the large users would also be paying less—do you consider that a subsidy in the opposite direction? No, of course not—because a price being bid up by competing consumers is not what is meant by the term "subsidy".

Now, if you banned large users from the system, or imposed discriminatory pricing as you previously suggested for the purpose of keeping prices low for the small users, that would be a subsidy: interference in the market to benefit one group at the expense of another.

Re: Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speedtest?

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If you’re happy, great. But you might want to figure out what’s interfering with your wired bandwidth, because wired 1G ethernet should basically win every time compared to current WiFi standards. Maybe not ax under ideal conditions. But that’s a maybe.

1G ethernet is 125 megabytes (spelled out to avoid acronym ambiguity) per second 802.11ax is much faster than that, my wifi router is good for 1.5G or so while the protocol allows for 3.5G or so and my file transfer speeds are easily more than 125 megabytes per second I’m not going to run more wires either way So……. you sure I should care? Its great fast speeds that scale to the file sizes I want to handle, which are…

I won’t dispute your numbers, but have you measured latency and jitter? Some people who like to call themselves hard-core gamers care a lot about those metrics, and Wi-Fi has historically been pretty abysmal at latency. I don’t know if the latest standards have caught up with wired yet.

Re: Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speedtest?

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Edit: removed due to downvoting. Original comment pointed out that transfer speed is normally measured in Mbps not MB/s.

> Speedtest kept reporting 100Mb/s range speeds (the tier he was paying for). Local file transfers however were stuck in the 1MB/s range I read that speed test reported 100Mb/s and local files were receiving 8Mb/s (1MB/s). Either interpretation doesn’t change the intent much. But now I’m curious if the MB was intentional. I don’t really care what the normal convention is, but the fact that Mbps and MB/s are sometimes…

Yes I did intentionally mix the units up. I know it's not best practice but I also know that most people that frequent this site are aware enough of the differences to not get fooled/confused. To be honest it was just lazy writing on my part.

Re: Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speedtest?

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As other commentets have pointed out: you are not insane :) Another speedtester you can try: https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest

unfortunately, the sad truth about dslreports, who for years has remained an unbiased provider of a truly accurate speedtest, is that their test no longer functions appropriately in modern browsers.

however, due to this, https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat was born. they mention this along with their specific reasons in the FAQ on the linked page.

so, update your bookmarks and plan to continue spreading the good word with this new provider in place.

Re: Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speedtest?

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Yes, this is true. This is why Netflix runs fast.com: it serves Netflix content from Netflix servers, so if ISPs want to prioritize fast.com content they'll have to prioritize Netflix content as well. Of course, that doesn't help non-Netflix sites...

Google does the same if you search “speed test” they have one that runs through the search results page. Cloudflare runs one too. https://speed.cloudflare.com/ Those are all harder to game than speedtest.net

On someone else's Cox connection and seeing ~450 with the Google search results test but only ~150 with the fast.com test. Interesting.

Re: Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speedtest?

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Google does the same if you search “speed test” they have one that runs through the search results page. Cloudflare runs one too. https://speed.cloudflare.com/ Those are all harder to game than speedtest.net

The cloudflare one is the most accurate I've ever found. People often accuse it of "reading low" but after much experimentation I think it actually reads accurately and most of the others read fast. So much of the web is behind cloudflare that most ISPs are unwilling to prioritize traffic to it. It also loads a selection of dummy files of varying sizes which is a more realistic portrayal of normal internet usage than…

I just tried the cloudflare one and saw something interesting, while it was gathering data, the bandwidth doubled from below my advertised rate to above it, which kind of suggests my ISP recognized it was a speed test and increased the bandwidth...
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