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Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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1. copy to hard disk 2. buy a new drive every year and copy it forward 3. store a copy with relatives Note that a cloud provider: 1. can shut off your access at any time, by accident or on purpose, and you have no recourse 2. will sell your data to anyone at any time 3. will give it to any government for the asking 4. will leak it to any hacker 5. will allow employees of said cloud provider to browse your data 6. wil…

> 1. copy to hard disk > 2. buy a new drive every year and copy it forward > 3. store a copy with relatives Yep, always good to have a local copy. > Note that a cloud provider: >1. can shut off your access at any time, by accident or on purpose, and you have no recourse Absolutely, which is why steps 1-3 help here. > 2. will sell your data to anyone at any time Not true. Neither Google, Amazon or Microsoft do this. T…

> None of the employees have direct access to your data

I've seen enough reports of employees charged with viewing customers' private data to be skeptical that this can't be done. Also, people keep finding security flaws. If outsiders can penetrate the system and download terabytes, it ought to be even easier for insiders.

> Will leak it is a bit too strong and harsh

Not at all. I used to design airplane parts. The principle is not "could it fail" but "when it fails, how do we ensure the plane won't crash?" It's a completely different mindset.

> guaranteed to not happen

If you say that in the airplane design business, you'll get your knuckles thwacked with a ruler. It is always when it happens, ...

> current privacy policies

Which can change at any time.

I clearly judge risk differently than you do. My approach comes from 3 years of designing airplane parts. I wish this approach was taught more often.

I know that if my data is not in the cloud, it will not be compromised by the inevitable failure of the cloud to protect it.

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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Yes. Newegg spams me all the time with offers for deep discounts on disk drives, and I take advantage.

Okay, so tell me: how do you do it? What are the error modes you've experienced?

1. buy the drive

2. plug it into my system via a USB drive adapter

3. format the drive

4. run the program I wrote to copy the files I want to back up to it

5. unplug the drive

6. plug the drive in next time I want to do a backup

7. run my program again, which will only copy over changed files. You could use rsync if you prefer

8. unplug the drive

Error modes? I've had disk drives fail now and then. I have a 10 lb sledge hammer I use to render it unreadable by anyone but the NSA, and throw it in the trash. Buy another one.

I suppose I'm not really understanding your question. But it really is this low tech and simple.

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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That's security by obscurity - either do it right (if your data demands it) or don't put any effort in it at all, IMHO.

Sure, and don't lock your door since a smashed window is always an option.

The content gets stolen either way. You would save the money on window repair at the cost of losing a small deterrent (maybe a thief would refrain from making noise)

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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I have 3 NAS systems based on Freebsd + ZFS where all system are over 10 years old on 3 different locations. My home, my parents home, and at my co-location. It is just ZFS snapshots with replication. I wrote my own shell scripts for this that takes daily/hourly snapshots. This scales well with multiple TB's, bandwidth is no issue as only changes from last snapshot(s) are replicated. After 10 years, I've replaced onl…

Currently I run a freedbsd zfs nas as well. I had planned to do something similar but I wanted to allow the places I store backups, some access to the storage. In your example, it would be your parents. I figured it would be a nice way of saying thanks. I was thinking syncthing or something. How do you do NATing?

All servers are behind a NAT, but the servers are only configured with SSH open. With the exception of the NAS I am using which also has NFS, iSCSI running. Also, only the backup servers are allowed to make connections to NAS I am using. The NAS I am using is not allowed to connect to the backup servers.

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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1. Encrypted external USB drive as a live copy 2. Encrypted external offline USB drive onsite 3. Encrypted external offline USB drive offsite 4. Upload of an encrypted archive to the cloud storage It's all manual so sometimes some backups are months old. Haven't lost a single digital photo for almost 15 years now, and have gigabytes of obsolete photos...

Mine is similar, but 1 is an internal drive, and I have almost no cloud storage. > It's all manual so sometimes some backups are months old. Do you at least have a script for backing up the live copy to onsite? Like plug in the drive, enter encryption key, then run script?

Yes, a script grabbing the paths specified in backup configuration file and calculating the checksums of created archives. No additional encryption at this point as the external drives are LUKS encrypted. The setup works seamlessly only with Linux machines though.

Re: Ask HN: What is your system for backing up family photos and video?

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Wait until you have kids...

How do you store 750gb of photo and video? We do look at them ever so often, and it’s great. It’s also disturbing to see corruption in some of the first videos we took. I don’t know the source but some videos have weird artefacts now.

NAS appliance with RAID 5 over 4x large disks.

From what I've read, a ZFS filesystem is very good at detecting and correcting file corruption. Next upgrade I'll be looking at a new NAS appliance that has native ZFS support.

I'm currently storing around 400GB.

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