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Re: Ask HN: Has Google search become quantitatively worse?

#351

Amazing suggestions from commenters on better search engines. Why hasn't a group of passionate developers gotten together to build an amazing, open source, ad-free, tamper-proof search engine? Wouldn't that instantly be like a mega impactful, economy-changing kind of project?

Good question.

Do you know of any projects in that direction?

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search become quantitatively worse?

#352
I recently wrote to somebody talking about a specific type of WiFi interference from idle wifi modems not transmitting traffic. No matter what you search Google for regarding the specific type of interference we were discussing, google dumbs it down for you and provides exclusively results for "Di'ja wanna know how 'ta choose the best wifi channel?" completely ignoring my technical terms even when I add plus signs and double quotes around them.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search become quantitatively worse?

#353

There was a very good thread on HN about this not long ago(1). Google search is getting worse because it is letting companies like Pinterest game it. Instead of fixing the spam they are instead encouraging companies to spend more and more time on SEO and coming up with their own shenanigans like better ranking for using AMP (defunct now). People who generally make great content (think a researcher or a great software…

It's not even just gaming or priority. As others mention, it just straight up ignores substantial search terms or interprets them only to sell mainstream crap. It will return nothing rather than obscure terms that are present on the web.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search become quantitatively worse?

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It feels like the algorithm (combined with the SEO/marketing industry) has effectively nuked discussions from organic results. Based on the search box suggestions I get, it seems many people work around this by appending reddit to their searches. If I search for "warmest winter coat" it's a bunch of untrustworthy content marketing until you try something like "warmest winter coat reddit" Unfortunately I prefer to avo…

I don't get the appending reddit thing. I don't see why reddit is considered trustworthy, marketers have been planting "organic discussion" on reddit for years .

Yeah, I can't confirm it, but the weirdest I think I've seen is in r/science about research that was funded by the meat industry saying that a diet with meat is healthier than vegetarianism or veganism.

The study was poorly done and there were tons of comments pushing the same message: "vegetarians/vegans are annoying hipsters who will lecture you for eating meat and they'll be so deservedly upset by this."

Found it and most of those comments are deleted now (https://redd.it/qskxol). Is the meat industry losing a sizable chunk of profits to more people swearing off meat for moral reasons, or ditching meat as a financial decision?

Edit: Threw that link into a website that restores deleted comments (https://www.reveddit.com/v/science/comments/qskxol/meat_cons...).

Mods deleted all references to fact that the study was funded by a beef company. Blatant corruption?

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search become quantitatively worse?

#356

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What's kind of funny is there was a time where Google used to stand for --literally anything-- and would punish a site like reddit on search results for having such a user hostile interface. For some reason though (probably because they used AMP) they basically allow them to do anything they want. Multiple popups, hijacking click events for login modals, and hiding the content with no impact to search results. So now…

GPT3 got your back: warmest winter coat --hobbyist-only Top 10: 1. Canada Goose Parka 2. Patagonia Down Jacket 3. Marmot Precip Jacket 4. Columbia Winter Jacket 5. North Face Thermoball Jacket 6. The North Face Nuptse Jacket 7. Rab Neutrino Endurance Jacket 8. Mountain Hardwear Ghost Whisperer Jacket 9. Black Diamond Fineline Hoodie 10. Outdoor Research Cathode Hoody

That's actually hilarious - that list isn't bad!

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search become quantitatively worse?

#357

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I have a public repo on GitHub that just doesn't show up on Google. Search for "github drv8830pico" - it's literally not in any results.

Haha I just tried and guess what? Your comment was the only result. Ask HN: Has Google search become quantitatively worse? https://news.ycombinator.com › item 4 hours ago — But of course, it's still on GitHub. ... Search for "github drv8830pico" - it's literally not in any results. DuckDuckGo works fine, though.

Yeah, this comment chain pretty sums up my experience. Google has become AltaVista.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search become quantitatively worse?

#358

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Yes, that is also my observation. They will show content that completely does not contain your query words if that content is just popular enough. The result is that niche technical topics get drowned out by related popular discussions. Also, I am by now 100% sure that Google has just stopped indexing the long tail. Like if I search for function names of public source code that I downloaded from GitHub, Google won't…

(same poster) BTW, amazon.com is in my opinion even more infuriating. I just searched for "Odense Marzipan" (which is a 100+ years old brand serving the royal danish court) and they show me pictures of gamepads made out of chocolate along with a note: Your search "odense marzipan" was automatically translated into "odicht marzipan". Then searching for "odicht" out of curiousity, they auto-correct it to "olight". So I…

Searching on amazon.com for Odense Marzipan works for me and is not automatically translated. No quotes needed.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search become quantitatively worse?

#359
People still use Google to search the web? JK. I've been using DDG for years now so I haven't kept up as much with what Google is doing these days. I used to !g when DDG turned up empty-handed and I have noticed that's become more and more pointless. Is Dogpile still around? I haven't used them in years either.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search become quantitatively worse?

#360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that is also my observation. They will show content that completely does not contain your query words if that content is just popular enough. The result is that niche technical topics get drowned out by related popular discussions. Also, I am by now 100% sure that Google has just stopped indexing the long tail. Like if I search for function names of public source code that I downloaded from GitHub, Google won't…

Yeah. Absolutely infuriating if you specifically use quotes and you get all sorts of dross not containing what you're looking for. Clearly they have figured out in some way that giving the end user what they want does not maximise income. Google News too has become flaky. Often does not find stuff you know is there, or finds it one day, but not another. Hrmph.

I'm in a similar boat with the "Google Now" feed on Android. When I say "not interested", it fails to note that as expected, and I see the same news "story" pop up (usually different sites, but occasionally the exact same site!). It's likely related to the fact that it almost NEVER gets the subject/topic correct, so I can never use that option.

There was a time I thought I'd trained it to stop telling me about what celebrity said or wore what, but those are creeping back into my feed.

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